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Women in Combat Okay with Obama
Pope Center ^ | November 07, 2008 | Jenna Ashley Robinson

Posted on 11/09/2008 3:58:22 AM PST by Perseverando

Obama will consider combat positions and selective service registration for women

The female college students who enthusiastically supported Barack Obama for president might not know that he wants women to register with the Selective Service at age 18, just as men do. Or that he wants the military to officially open combat positions to women.

Although the topic was drowned out by campaign rhetoric and statements on policies that college students find more congenial, his position on registration of women is clear. And Obama’s national security spokeswoman stated before the election that Obama intended to change current policies on women in combat. Women are “already” serving in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan, said Wendy Morigi, Mr. Obama's national security spokeswoman. If elected president, she said, Obama will “consult with military commanders to review the constraints that remain."

In other words, he wants to eliminate gender discrimination from the armed services. No doubt president-elect Obama views both of these stances as leveling the playing field for women, an extension of the equal opportunity he wants to create for all Americans.

And maybe this is a plank that today’s 18-year-old females think is cool.

I don’t. Senator Obama’s two positions threaten women’s liberty and safety.

I can agree with the Senator, and feminists, to a point. No one should be disqualified from a position based solely on sex. However, there is at least one big problem with opening combat positions to women – currently, women do not have to meet lower physical fitness standards than men. The military’s tests for strength, speed and stamina are scaled according to age and gender. In direct combat, having women who are weaker and slower than men could be disastrous.

According to the 1992 report of a presidential commission on women in the armed forces, most women fall far below most men in meeting such standards. “In terms of physical capability, the upper five percent of women are at the level of the male median,” the report said. “The average 20-to-30 year-old woman has the same aerobic capacity as a 50 year-old man.”

Current Department of Defense restrictions on women in combat units – including tank, field artillery and Special Forces – exist for good reasons. Most women don't have the upper-body strength to haul heavy weapons or wounded team members. Under field conditions, they lack the stamina of most men. In general, women are shorter, lighter, and slower than their male counterparts.

And the field of combat is not designed for affirmative action. The desert is not more forgiving to women than to men. Gunfire will not slow down for a woman who can’t run as fast as a man. Individuals who cannot meet the standards set for the most able soldiers will not perform as well. Holding women to lower standards than men puts them at a disadvantage on the battlefield, particularly in the offensive operations or “direct ground combat” from which they are currently barred.

But no woman (or man) exists as a generality. Many experts agree that some women have the physical strength and endurance to be combat soldiers. Women who are strong enough and fast enough, physically and mentally, for participation on the front lines shouldn’t be barred based on gender.

Department of Defense tests should be objective measures based on the requirements of the job. Women who cannot meet those standards would be safer and more effective elsewhere. And for those women who can meet objective standards, lowering the bar is merely insulting.

Opponents of women in combat insist that challenges would arise from having women in combat units, but the preponderance of military divisions have already met those challenges. The US military is still the most effective in the world.

A real step forward for women would be to remove both the current restrictions on combat and the affirmative action that endangers them on the battlefield.

Opening the door to the draft would not accomplish much for women, either. Although Obama does not explicitly favor a draft, his proposal to register women as well as men moves us further in that direction. I oppose registration for both men and women.

Conscription is bad policy for a number of reasons. Branches of the armed services, having tried it both ways, strongly prefer an all-volunteer force, according to the Army Times. Many high-ranking officers in the military explain that motivated volunteers perform much better than indifferent draftees. Moreover, morale is far better when all involved feel strongly that they are engaged in a noble and chosen pursuit than when they are forced to participate in an activity they would not choose.

Most importantly, the draft is involuntary servitude – regardless of gender. The very concept of conscription, or even registration with the Selective Service, is incompatible with the principle of liberty. Years ago, economist Milton Friedman famously campaigned against the draft in his Newsweek column. He argued that it was not only uneconomical but that it violates the Constitution. Requiring women to register for selective service would simply make more people susceptible to the injustice it inflicts on those who are drafted.

So, in answer to Senator Obama’s offer, I have one reply: “no deal.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: abuhussein; bho2008; combat; military; militarywomen; obama; usmilitary; women; womenincombat
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1 posted on 11/09/2008 3:58:23 AM PST by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando

I wonder if cl’O’wn ever registered?


2 posted on 11/09/2008 3:59:48 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

“I wonder if cl’O’wn ever registered?”

...I don’t believe that non-citizens are required to register.


3 posted on 11/09/2008 4:05:52 AM PST by Constitutional Patriot (Socialism is the cancer of humanity and Obama is a socialist.)
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To: Perseverando

The Israelis have had women subject to the draft and have had them serve in combat for a long time now. How is it working out for them?


4 posted on 11/09/2008 4:06:25 AM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: Perseverando

Well, according to the Obots I have tried to point this out to, “he doesn’t really mean it, it’s just words...”


5 posted on 11/09/2008 4:07:06 AM PST by autumnraine (Churchill: " we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall never surrender")
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Are you joking? No way he, or his children, will ever register. That would be punishment.


7 posted on 11/09/2008 4:09:12 AM PST by DeLaine (You can't make up anything anymore. The world itself is a satire. All you're doing is recording it.)
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To: Perseverando

Does this apply to his civilian, thug force as well?


8 posted on 11/09/2008 4:09:20 AM PST by johnny7 ("Duck I says... ")
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To: Perseverando

The topic wasn’t drowned out by campaign rhetoric, it was purposely ignored by a media that was so far in the tank that it’s never going to be able to get out.


9 posted on 11/09/2008 4:09:23 AM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: Perseverando

I say we don ponytails, wear birkenstocks, not bathe for 3 weeks, and give them a dose of their own medicine. “Hey hey ho ho, Obamachimp has got to go!”


10 posted on 11/09/2008 4:09:23 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (Bombing Billy Ayers-the Timothy McVeigh of his generation)
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To: autumnraine

> Well, according to the Obots I have tried to point this
> out to, “he doesn’t really mean it, it’s just words...”

Wait till they get their draft notices.

If I remember correctly, it was President Nixon, a Republican, that ended the draft.


11 posted on 11/09/2008 4:09:41 AM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Perseverando

This is why obama wants to built a UN style “civilian military” equal to the military. He will use the new military to social engineer and surpress AMERICANS, and then defund the real military.


12 posted on 11/09/2008 4:13:51 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Constitutional Patriot

Good one!


13 posted on 11/09/2008 4:16:25 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Perseverando

All hail our Comrade Dear Leader Obama!
14 posted on 11/09/2008 4:26:54 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: Perseverando

(In the immortal words of the MSM, ‘Obama is evolving’, so no matter what he says or does, it’s okay.) Well, there’s the old bait and switch strategy to be considered, which he’ll be using it in short order and to maximum effect. The public will be horrified at one proposal he makes, whereupon he’ll adopt a second one, the one he really wanted all the time and only slightly less ruinous. The dolts who elected him will be thrilled.

I’m having this recurring nightmare: that we’ll never have an honest Presidential election again. I could describe the players behind Obama’s victory, but you already know who they are and what they’re up to. How in the world do we defeat them, especially when they’ve infiltrated the public school systems from top to bottom? One thing is sure, we need help from an honest MSM.


15 posted on 11/09/2008 4:28:07 AM PST by hershey
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Armed students in the USA would be an excellent idea. As long as they are not Brown Shirt militia.
16 posted on 11/09/2008 4:28:36 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Aleutica, the new name of Free Alaska)
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To: Eye of Unk

As long as they are not Brown Shirt militia.

yeah well you can’t get everything you wish for


17 posted on 11/09/2008 4:29:40 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: Perseverando

“I wonder if cl’O’wn ever registered?”

Even if someone looked into this (which will never happen) Obama will be able to show “proof” he did.

Women in the military is a mixed bag for me, I served on my ships with them and they were not all bad.

To me, for the few that were good, I seen a lot of wasted time, money, and effort go into training most of them, only to see them not make it to the end of thier first hitch.

They either got pregnant, have sex (causing big problems), have a medical conditions, Don’t get along with each other, etc..

I know things are supposedly better now. I admit I did see progress.

I did’nt like the social engineering crowd meddling with something that was’nt broken. To me this was not anything like allowing blacks to serve alongside whites. To me it was also ethical and moral, “what if she’s pregnant and dose’nt know it yet?”. Women should not be drafted.


18 posted on 11/09/2008 4:31:35 AM PST by ChetNavVet (Build It, and they won't come!)
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To: Perseverando

the whole point of the female draft, in case you haven’t realized, is to defeminize women. All part of marxist social engineering.


19 posted on 11/09/2008 4:32:52 AM PST by ari-freedom (So this is how Liberty dies... with thunderous applause)
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To: pnh102

That might be a good idea when we are surrounded by enemies and outnumbered twenty to one. To answer your question, it’s been a mixed bag for Israel. In practice, a female simply tells her draft board she is religious and is exempted from military service.


20 posted on 11/09/2008 4:33:20 AM PST by MSF BU (++)
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