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Can Barry Obama lose millions of votes and still win???
Vanity | 2008-10-31 | Vanity

Posted on 10/31/2008 10:03:30 AM PDT by jerod

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1 posted on 10/31/2008 10:03:30 AM PDT by jerod
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The simple math tells us Obama is not going to get all the votes Kerry did. Then there are the PUMAs. More than a fourth of Hillary voters simply will not vote for him. Add it all up and he's going to get fewer votes than Kerry. All the polling data is completely whacked.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 10/31/2008 10:10:31 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Well, there are certainly new voters. And black turnout will be high.

But you are right, where is his support coming from?

It is hard to believe that that many disgruntled Bush voters will cross over, but that may happen in some states.

Just strange.


3 posted on 10/31/2008 10:11:55 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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exactly who is voting for him?

I guess all those millions of new voters which Gallup now admits don't exist in any greater number than they did in '04. This campaign is so wizard of oz-esque. I'll be so glad when we finally know the truth, that the marxist messiah following is a mirage.

4 posted on 10/31/2008 10:13:54 AM PDT by scottinoc
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To: Retired Greyhound
Obama already has his base voters. His infomercial was aimed at them - a more solidify the base message. Does that look like a landslide winner to you?

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 10/31/2008 10:14:04 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Black turnout always went for dems though, so that is part of the equation which is being played up a bit too much IMO.


6 posted on 10/31/2008 10:19:48 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Obama is not qualified for the FBI, but he is qualified for the Presidency????)
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To: goldstategop

Obama may well receive fewer popular votes than Kerry yet
still win the electoral college. A shift of a few thousand
votes to Obama in Ohio, Virginia, and Nevada while polling
less than Kerry in traditional Blue States could tip the balance to the One.


7 posted on 10/31/2008 10:21:38 AM PDT by buckalfa (confused and bewildered)
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To: Retired Greyhound

If that was true, North Carolina, Indiana, North Dakota and Virginia wouldn’t be considered “battleground states”


8 posted on 10/31/2008 10:22:05 AM PDT by Philly Nomad
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To: goldstategop

And the GOP base will turn out in massive, 1994 like numbers. It’s over folks!


9 posted on 10/31/2008 10:22:07 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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But you are right, where is his support coming from?

Foxnews poll - The race has tightened in part because of changes in a couple of important swing voting groups. Independents back Obama by 5 percentage points today, down from a 9-point edge last week. Similarly, among white Catholics, Obama held an 11-point edge over McCain last week and today they split 46-46.

Where's the change in his numbers if he lost an 11-point edge over McCain with Catholics and 4 points with Independents?

10 posted on 10/31/2008 10:25:29 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: goldstategop

At this point, the only way Mccain is going to win is divine intervention. If he does win, I think many people will die.


11 posted on 10/31/2008 10:27:07 AM PDT by Edizzl79
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To: jerod

At the risk of being labeled a troll or disruptor, I will respectfully disagree.

McCain is NOT going to win the national popular vote.

He MIGHT have a chance to win by winning a majority of electors through the Electoral College while still losing the popular vote, as G.W. Bush did in 2000.

I don’t think there’s much chance of McCain “flipping” any blue states, with the possible exception of Pennsylvania - we’ve got to keep our fingers crossed on that one. If he wins PA, he wins the election. If he loses PA, McCain’s chances of victory (even through the electoral college) get far, far dimmer.

On the other hand, Obama is likely to flip one or more of the “blue-purple” states. These are once-red states that through demographic changes are also changing politically from red to purple (and, eventually, to blue). Of these, I predict we will lose New Mexico and Colorado in the west. In the east, we will be lucky to hold onto North Carolina (which I claim original credit for naming the “Colorado of the East”), and Virginia looks like a long shot.

New Hampshire, no longer red but not yet “true blue”, might go either way.

McCain will lose everything north and east of PA, again with the possible exception of New Hampshire and the one electoral district that may go his way in Maine.

He’ll lose the West Coast, and the Great Lakes states (Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois). He’ll lose Iowa (again, I take credit for dubbing Iowa to be the new “Vermont of the midwest”).

He wins the deep south, again with the possible exceptions of NC or VA.

McCain wins the midwest and mountain states, excepting Colorado and New Mexico. He’ll pick up West Virginia, too.

Even in some of the states in which he wins, it’s going to be close - a squeaker. I expect several Florida-style challenges and they could get ugly due to the racial factors.

I hope I’m wrong. You can save all the crows you find and email them to me on November 5th.

But that’s how I’m calling it.

That said, vote McCain/Palin on November 4th!

- John


12 posted on 10/31/2008 10:38:40 AM PDT by Fishrrman
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I cannot see conservative Dems voting for Obama. Several conservative members of my family who lean towards ‘Rats have told me that there is no way they are voting for Obama.


13 posted on 10/31/2008 10:42:06 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat. And so is Obama.)
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Don’t know the future, but I know this: Young black men will NOT turn out in the numbers that the media have bankrolled their Mandingo fantasies on...


14 posted on 10/31/2008 10:46:50 AM PDT by Maverick68 (w)
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No, and he’s not.


15 posted on 10/31/2008 10:47:46 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Obama wants to put the same crowd that ran Fannie Mae in charge of health care)
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Hillary Clinton received 18 million votes running against Barry O.

Will those 18 million vote for Obama?

Not this Hillary voter's vote. I registered Dem and voted for her Thighness in March, just to screw up the Dem primaries. I hope that I helped!

BTW, I had to take an hour-long acid bath after doing that, and I'm not sure that I got rid of all of the contamination.

16 posted on 10/31/2008 10:52:08 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obamination from becoming President)
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This year has to be a nightmare to predict. You have the Bradley effect, you have questions of how high black turnout will be, you have a ton of new registrations and have to figure out what to do with that, you have the possibility of a lot of Dems going R, and the possibility of some RINOs going Dem. Throw in trying to sort through fraud issues and this is a tough one to figure out.


17 posted on 10/31/2008 10:54:21 AM PDT by DemonDeac
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Obama may well receive fewer popular votes than Kerry yet
still win the electoral college.”

I think he gets more votes than Kerry. I think that both McCain and Obama will set records. The population is up (as it always is) and i’ve never seen the electorate as a whole so excited. The question is who will end up receiving the most votes ever and who will get the second most.


18 posted on 10/31/2008 10:56:16 AM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: Fishrrman

“I hope I’m wrong. You can save all the crows you find and email them to me on November 5th.”

I hope you get tons of emails! Like you though I have a lot of doubts and am not as confident as many on here who seem to think this will be a walk. It isn’t. Its a war!


19 posted on 10/31/2008 10:57:31 AM PDT by DemonDeac
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You posted a very thoughtful analysis; so what’s your best guess of the Electoral College outcome?


20 posted on 10/31/2008 11:02:14 AM PDT by riverdawg
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