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A Closer Look At The Birth Certificate
The Bulletin ^ | 10/21/08 | John Connely

Posted on 10/21/2008 9:14:12 AM PDT by pissant

One of the most intense allegations of the ongoing lawsuit against Sen. Barack Obama alleging ineligibility for the presidency is whether or not Mr. Obama can produce his birth certificate.

If Mr. Obama were to produce his birth certificate, it would lay the entire question to rest. It would prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the U.S. government officially recognizes Mr. Obama's citizenship. The Obama campaign says that it has already produced this document, a scanned copy of which is available at the campaign's "Fight the Smears" Web site.

One point critics of Mr. Obama have made is the fact that the document posted is not, in fact, a birth certificate. It is a birth certification, which is a computer-generated printout of a birth record. A certification is a cheap print-off for people who have lost their original birth certificates. For most people, there is little practical difference between a certificate of live birth and a certification of live birth, although the certification requires extra verification when being used like a birth certificate.

Because of the tenuous nature of identifying a certification of birth as genuine, it requires an embossed seal and authoritative signature. The low-resolution scan available on the Obama campaign Web site appears to have neither of those. The ink from a date stamp, "June 6, 2007," is visible clearly, but it appears that the document does not have a seal or signature. The campaign only scanned the front of the document.

Without the seal and signature, the document on the Obama Web site lacks legal weight, and does not count as representing the official birth record of Mr. Obama.

Philip Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, has filed suit against Mr. Obama, alleging that he is not legally qualified to serve as president. He has indicated that if Mr. Obama were to produce certified documents proving that he is a natural born citizen, he will withdraw his case.

Mr. Berg maintains that Mr. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen, but others wonder if there are more reasons why Mr. Obama and the Democratic National

Committee have not laid the question to rest by releasing the documents. Some think that there may be embarrassing information about Mr. Obama that could be inferred from the papers.

The original birth certificate would normally have an entry for religion, and many suppose he would have been listed as Muslim, an image Mr. Obama has worked hard to distance himself from. Others think it might have shown that his parents were not legally married, even though Mr. Obama contends that his parents were married in good faith before separating upon discovering his father had never divorced his last wife.

The Obama campaign says that the idea that Mr. Obama is not natural born is preposterous and cites the certification of birth as an example. But until a physical and verifiable document is produced for their critics, the lawsuit is expected to continue.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: antichrist; bc; birthcertificate; certifigate; colb; larrysinclairslover; obama; obamagate
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To: Miss Behave

There is another one here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs&feature=related

Between the two this film has been seen over 2 and a half million times.


21 posted on 10/21/2008 9:30:45 AM PDT by Danae (Obama = Trickle up Poverty. Don't like it, get ready to be"reeducated" into it if he is elected.)
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To: pissant; PhilDragoo
Phil Dragoo has graciously provided us with another believe or not COLB for the mystery guy, Obama.


22 posted on 10/21/2008 9:30:47 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Joe the plumber should provide his license right after Obama provides his real birth certificate)
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To: Myrddin

“Deemed Admissions” are a procedural technicality in civil litigation. Admissions can be “undeemed”. And, the items admitted are only binding within the litigation itself ... they have no bearing whatsoever on other matters (including the Constitutional test for the Presidency).

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23 posted on 10/21/2008 9:31:16 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor (Keep Austin Quarantined ...)
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To: pissant

Yes, its the Berg interview with the intro by Molotov Mitchell.


25 posted on 10/21/2008 9:32:54 AM PDT by CedarDave (John McCain -- "Country First" is getting yourself elected. Save us from Obama and the socialists!)
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To: pissant
The low-resolution scan available on the Obama campaign Web site appears to have neither of those. The ink from a date stamp, "June 6, 2007," is visible clearly, but it appears that the document does not have a seal or signature. The campaign only scanned the front of the document.

Without the seal and signature, the document on the Obama Web site lacks legal weight, and does not count as representing the official birth record of Mr. Obama.

This is simply wrong. There are much higher resolution photographs available of the purported Obama birth certification at factcheck.org.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

For a much higher resolution scan, see:

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg

For a much higher resolution of the raised seal, see:

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg

For a much higher resolution of the signature, see:

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_9.jpg

26 posted on 10/21/2008 9:33:52 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Danae

Thanks, Dana. I’ll take a look at it right now. Great news on the viewership numbers!


27 posted on 10/21/2008 9:34:17 AM PDT by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: housedeep
i wish someone had the guts to run with this...just to creat doubt among mainstream america.

Maybe if 100,000 of us ran with it -

Petition: http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/

28 posted on 10/21/2008 9:34:18 AM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald (Counter Revolutionary for McCain/Palin)
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To: pissant

Think about this:

Obama refuses to release his college records.

Is it because he was registered as an international student, either Kenyan or Indonesian?


29 posted on 10/21/2008 9:34:24 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: pissant

If the certificate on “Fight the Smears” is authentic, why are they submitting same certificate to the courts who are allowing cases to be filed on this very matter?


30 posted on 10/21/2008 9:34:49 AM PDT by austinaero
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To: Hemorrhage

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

err... actually that didn’t work out too well last time.


31 posted on 10/21/2008 9:35:01 AM PDT by Eyes Unclouded (We won't ever free our guns but be sure we'll let them triggers go....)
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To: tirednvirginia
I don’t understand this issue. Do people actually think Obama is not really a citizen of the US or that his bc shows embarrasing things on it?

Despite any evidence to actually support that conclusion, some posters on FR actually do believe that Obama is trying to cover up the fact that he is Constitutionally ineligible to be President.

The "evidence" so far is a legitimate Hawaii birth certificate that some people will do anything to believe is a fake, and an unsubstantiated claim that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born there.

Other people have tried to make the argument that because Obama was, at one point, a dual citizen of the US and Kenya, he does not meet the Constitutional requirements for the Presidency (even though dual citizenship is perfectly legal under US law and the Constitution does not mention it as a bar to the Presidency).

32 posted on 10/21/2008 9:37:06 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

What about the hospital copy? That would prove he was born in a hospital in Hawaii. Anyone can send in information that will result in a registration, for example, in the case of home birth.


33 posted on 10/21/2008 9:37:54 AM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald (Counter Revolutionary for McCain/Palin)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

Fact Check is an arm of the Obama campaign. But you knew that.


34 posted on 10/21/2008 9:39:38 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: tirednvirginia

The reason the GOP is not taking this issue on is because it has all been brought by democrats.

I used to not believe there was anything to this.

I have changed my mind. Obama could end all of this by supplying the credentials that McCain has already supplied.

I am going to sit back and see if it unfolds.


35 posted on 10/21/2008 9:41:07 AM PDT by dforest (Is there any good idea out there that Obama doesn't lay claim to anymore?)
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To: austinaero
If the certificate on “Fight the Smears” is authentic, why are they submitting same certificate to the courts who are allowing cases to be filed on this very matter?

The certificate at fight the smears is like a transcript, hard copy of data in the Hawaii computer. How did the data get into the computer? Someone in the family filled out a registration form. Didn't have to be a hospital. THIS CERTIFICATE IS NOT A HOSPITAL RECORD PROVING ACTUAL SITE OF BIRTH. If there is a home birth in Hawaii, the parents can submit a registration after the fact, then there would be no hospital records. BUT OBAMA CLAIMS TO HAVE BEEN BORN IN A PARTICULAR HOSPITAL IN HAWAII, SO THERE MUST BE A HOSPITAL RECORD --- WHERE IS THAT RECORD THEN?

36 posted on 10/21/2008 9:41:45 AM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald (Counter Revolutionary for McCain/Palin)
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To: Jedidah
Yep.

Bump that, Jedidah.

37 posted on 10/21/2008 9:41:50 AM PDT by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: Hemorrhage
Its not just the MSM that’s avoiding this — its the conservative media as well. Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, Hannity ... nobody’s touching it.

That's what I don't get and can't get an answer to, why won't they touch it? Even if Obama has a genuine vault certificate the stonewalling says a whole lot about his character.

The only thing I can think of is maybe some GOP candidates or elected officials have the same problem and they don't want to put anyone in jeopardy. If I'm right that's too bad for them as Obama's election would go against the Constitution if he was born in Kenya.

38 posted on 10/21/2008 9:42:09 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: tirednvirginia

Some people (probably a quarter of Freerepublic crowd) believe that the birth certificate issue is legit. Based on what I’ve seen and read....I think there are two birth certificates. The first one was retired in some fashion. The second, my belief based on limited evidence...has some data or info which conflicts with his announced history (I think it was a renaming to “Barry” but thats just my opinion). The second one had to be doctored a bit...before public release. Hillary should have found this all out...which she apparently kept quiet about or just never found.

If this does come out in twelve months...in the worst case scenario...it rigs up a constitutional crisis if he refuses to resign (which I think he would).


39 posted on 10/21/2008 9:43:42 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: steelydan
I had to produce an original of my Birth Certificate and my wife’s birth certificate. Scanned or Faxed copies were not acceptable. Seems like the requirement for proof of birth is a little more lax for Presidential requirements.

My son had to produce an original BC to go into the Air Force as an E-1. I guess the requirements for president are even lower than that position.
40 posted on 10/21/2008 9:44:17 AM PDT by CottonBall
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