Vanity: What's up with Fox?

Fox

[Chet 99]

After the debate was over, the "conservative" pundits immediately trashed McCain. This was followed by Frank Luntz, who declared that is focus group idiots loved Obama (of course Luntz also said Palin was the knockout debate winner and McCain would surge in the polls after her debate).

This is supposed to be the conservative network? I switched over to PBS, and Clarence Page was giving more credit to McCain's performance than the Fox pundits. Same on CNN.

[BookmanTheJanitor]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77538,00.html

Here’s Fox’s e-mail list. Just go down to “We Love to Hear From Our Viewers!”

[Libertarian4Bush]

FR 2008: Vanity Central

[PalmettoMason]

I think you have to look at who is on Brit's "panel".

Juan Williams is a lib from NPR. Bill Kristol is a moderate from the NYT. Nina Easton is a lib from who knows where, and Fred Barnes is a moderate.

Fox needs some conservatives on the panel if they want a fair assessment of the election.

I know that I'm not watching this bunch of idiots on election night.

[lone star annie]

I watched the Fox commentary and it made me want to puke. Were they watching the same debate? I turned to CNN and half of their focus group thought McCain won whereas everyone on Fox panel thought Obama won. Give me a break.

Brit Hume was snide and nasty towards McCain and so were Krystol and Barnes. I am through with this Channel. It is all Mark Levine for me.

[pacpam]

Just remember, the question was who won the debate. It was not did you make a decision who to vote for Nov 4. There is a big difference.

[Cathy]

The Fox panel is overcompensating on their analysis, almost as if they are more worried about how they will come across over what actually happened in the debate.

And how come everytime Frank Luntz asks who won the debate and it is clearly 50/50 (by a show of hands) he proclaims - “Overwhelmingly Obama!” Can’t he count?

Even Fred Barnes backtracked on Obama “making the funny faces” while McCain was talking after Charles’ snarky comment about McCain’s eyebrows. I still love Charles, but he notices and exploits the strangest things sometimes.

I thought McCain did fine, he could have landed a few more punches I guess. Not mentioning Rev Wright si something he will regret the rest of his life.

[Huck]

I’m no pompom waver, and I thought McCain had his best debate tonight. I thought he did a good job.

[Frantzie]

Murdoch bought the Times of London about a decade ago and now it is a left wing rag. He bought the Wall Street Journal and the writers sound like MSNBC in the election while the editorial board is still okay but pro-illegal as they always were.

Murdoch also backed Labour candidate Tony Blair. Blair was okay on teh war with terror but he turned England into Englandistan with Murdoch supporting him 100%.

Murdoch cannot be trusted. He kow tows to the ChiChom rulers in China.

Fox is over.

[edpc]

I though McCain performed strong. I wonder why he's waited so long. He effectively brought out the taxation/redistribution argument. I especially liked the part where McCain asked why would we raise taxes on anyone during this time.

I was just listening to Major Garrett quoting Axelrod about Joe the Plumber. Axelrod (I'm paraphrasing) stated Joe the Plumber will get screwed under McCain's plan, just like he's getting screwed now. If I'm not mistaken, Joe was able to get to the position he's in now under the "failed" economy of Bush. He's now in the position to own his own business. Some failure.

[rubeng]

At some point one has to admit that McCain is . . . JUST . . . NOT . . . GOOD.

I wonder where we’d be right now with Romney or Huckabee.

[Cathy]

Good point, they guy in Luntz’s audience said it best - I am not voting for a good debater, I am voting for someone to be President.

[NoobRep]

Wasn’t Fox News bought out by a big Saudi a while back?

[mockingbyrd]

There is no freakin’ way that Obama turned four McCain voters tonight. Yet, that’s what Frank Luntz wants us to believe. Each of the “undecided” voters who thought Obama won, somehow managed to spout Obama’s talking points from this morning. The focus group was crap.

[publius_in_abq]

I thought I was the only one who felt like he was in the twilight zone watching the Fox pundits and the Luntz group. I don’t know what has happened to Kristol and Fred Barnes. They are playing into the media’s plan to lower expectations for BO (as long as he doesn’t look like a moron he wins). They are setting up metrics that make it impossible for McCain to win a debate. Krauthammer has been enamored with BO ever since Palin was announced...remember he is a neo-con that doesn’t care too much for social conservatives.

McCain was in rare form and destroyed BO on points and demeanor. He handled Ayers perfectly and with measure.

[markedmannerf]

Michelle Malkin has some positive things to say:
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/15/debate-wrap-up-senator-government-vs-johnny-mac-and-joe-the-plumber/

No, there weren’t any knockout punches. But John McCain was still standing at the end of the night — doubts about his fortitude adequately quelled — and Barack Obama ought to be wiping the smirk he borrowed from Joe Biden off his face. Joe Wurzelbacher the Plumber was a heaven-sent gift for the McCain campaign, and for once, McCain didn’t flub the opportunity to rub the infamous “spread the wealth around” line in Obama’s smug face. Obama’s tin-ear response? Citing his billionaire “friend” Warren Buffett! Alas, Ayers and ACORN receded into the background. But McCain brought the education debate to the present and spotlighted Obama’s anti-school choice policies that render him woefully out of touch with increasing numbers of minority families. The best line of the night may have been unplanned (or maybe not)? In jabbing Obama’s spend-spend-spend plans, McCain called him “Senator Government.” “Senator Government.” It’s a fitting moniker for the Democrat candidate who spent the whole night talking about “investing” other people’s money. Perfect. McCain ought to call him that from now until Nov. 4. And someone from the McCain camp better have Joe’s phone number and arrange a joint appearance pronto. Joe made Senator Government squirm. Let’s see more. Better late than never.

[pwatson]

Yes the undecided said they thought Oboma won the debate, I noted most of the Men liked McCain more and as the guy said I am voting for a Leader not the best Debater. Mostly the women were dazzled enough to vote for Barry. Men will decided this election. If enough NRA, Plumbers, Men with balls vote they vote for the fighter pilot. Lets hope for rain and bad weather to keep the soccer moms home.

[JEH_Boston]

No no no — they were looking for the knockout punch, the Reagan moment. There was none, so they conclude that Obama’s smoothness, his ability to answer every charge (even with a lie), becomes acceptable. Thus, the “tie” that Obama wins.

They didn't look very hard. McCain to Obama: "I am not President Bush. If you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run 4 years ago."

[Cinnamontea]

Fox is supposed to be the fair and balanced network, not the conservative network. But when it comes to the debate they aren't fair and they are obviously out of whack with reality. I don't know what the heck is going on with that panel.

Luntz's panel was full of Obama shills. When they pretend to be undecided before the debate then suddenly spout the Obama party line after the debate, they're plants. Why they heck can't Luntz and the panel see that? I think that at this point they don't want to.

[From The Deer Stand]

Simple: CNN, the Liberal network, says McCain won. He won!

[Cementjungle]

The Fox panel is overcompensating on their analysis, almost as if they are more worried about how they will come across over what actually happened in the debate.

Bingo. It's all about ratings. These guys get much of their compensation via performance bonus plans... performance=ratings.