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Presidential Debate #3 Live Thread - 9:00 Eastern
The Collective Wisdom of Free Republic ^ | 10/15/08 | TonyInOhio

Posted on 10/15/2008 2:02:46 PM PDT by TonyInOhio

Let's light this candle!



TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008debates; antichrist; burqabama; crapforbrains; debate; election; fauxnews; iamwearingadiaper; jobamaobiden; keywordabuse; luntzsux; mccain; obama; obamabinbiden; oopsicrappedmypants; ostrichbrigade; senatordouchebag
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To: Earthdweller
OK...this morning with the Friends liberal Jane Hall thought Mac was great and conservative Brent Bozell said Mac was awful and that the debate was boring.
6,661 posted on 10/16/2008 3:27:30 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: Miss Didi





6,662 posted on 10/16/2008 3:33:49 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: tpanther
"this country has a PROFOUND mental health crisis on it’s hands"

Amen to that.

Nationalized Health Care will take care of all those who think socialism is "utopia", while the rest of us remember what freedom and the American Way of Life used to be....

I'm not concerned about me...it's my kids and grandkids that will lose the American way of life for their future.

Hollywood survived McCarthy, unfortunately, who had them absolutely pegged.

6,663 posted on 10/16/2008 3:52:36 AM PDT by traditional1 ("The American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery")
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To: wequalswinner
BTW, did you know that Wichita is the #1 real estate market in the country right now?

Shhh! You don't want the libs to hear you. Before you know it, you'll be the new California. They love moving to nice places and messing them up.

6,664 posted on 10/16/2008 3:58:47 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: cleveland gop

They smoke from the bong of satan.

LLS


6,665 posted on 10/16/2008 4:14:45 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (GOD, Country, Family... except when it comes to dims!)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Any reasonably intelligent person would know that McCain truly won. If Obama had used the President Bush line or the Senator Government line...they would be playing that over and over on television. Good job McCain...a vote for you is a vote AGAINST the MSM.


6,666 posted on 10/16/2008 4:16:50 AM PDT by Blue Turtle (I)
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Republicans obviously are never allowed to WIN debates. The cool collected smooth smirky GQ libs always are more impressive and always win in the Nazi media’s eyes . I attended the Palin rally in NH last night and OBVIOUSLY there were 5-7000 very enthusiastic conservatives in NH who deeply despise Odummy. This is not over, it is clear people now understand the MEDIA is EVIL. I listened to the debate on thh radio, clearly Mccain won and bitch slapped the punk but of course the media catagorize him as mean etc... The media needs to GO AWAY....


6,667 posted on 10/16/2008 4:26:46 AM PDT by libscum (don't sit out- vote Mccain)
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To: CE2949BB

Quick check just showed Ford, Reagan, H.W., and Clinton as lefties, too.

@@@@@

That W was not left-handed really worried me, based on the series you just wrote. I thought perhaps it took some special ability of lefties, like using more of their brain perhaps, to reach the highest job in the world.


6,668 posted on 10/16/2008 4:29:37 AM PDT by maica (Barack Obama is a Weathermen Project.)
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To: BlueCat

Thanks. Good analysis. She concedes at the end that the 04 polls were accurate, though, so we are all sure hoping that this year is in the older pattern since 76 of underestimating the GOP candidate’s support by 3 to 6.

If you do a simple math exercise across the board, state by state, 3 points would make us extremely competitive. I think 6 would give us victory.....It’s hard to be super optimistic at this stage, but all these tidbits help.


6,669 posted on 10/16/2008 4:33:02 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: April Lexington
Same reaction here...

It's as if Brit couldn't wait to give his 2 cents (& that's all he's worth!)...

..and the others fell in line.

It was disgusting...

..I only got as far as Kristol and realized which way this was blowing (with his smirky little grin) and turned it off.

They're in the tank for Obama.

Fox AM has had some good analysis & has hit the Acorn issue hard...

..but Brit's show is in the tank!

6,670 posted on 10/16/2008 4:33:14 AM PDT by Guenevere (We will NOT collapse.The New World Order WILL collapse.This is our last chance!)
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To: traditional1
McCarthy had nothing to do with the hearings about communist activities in Hollywood.

He was a senator and his hearings were called the Army-McCarthy hearings.

The Hollywood people were referenced in the House Un-American Committee hearings, known as HUAC.

6,671 posted on 10/16/2008 4:35:44 AM PDT by maica (Barack Obama is a Weathermen Project.)
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To: traditional1
Hollywood survived McCarthy, unfortunately, who had them absolutely pegged

McCarthy had nothing to do with Hollywood--that was HUAC doings --McCarthy took on the State Department and administration
6,672 posted on 10/16/2008 4:44:12 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: longtermmemmory
The fix appears to have been in for some time.
It remains up to us to pull McCain over the finish line,with any luck (and some help form his Odinga days) we should be able to do it.
6,673 posted on 10/16/2008 4:45:29 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: athelass

Exactly, FNC has never been a 100% channel but they are far better than the rest, good post.


6,674 posted on 10/16/2008 4:46:47 AM PDT by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE--GO SARAHCUDA !!)
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To: bigheadfred
I'm wondering which ruler you used as a comparison tool? Genghis? Can't believe that, but then again, maybe I Khan. Nero? Naw. You wouldn't fiddle with him.

LOL. No, it was actually a scale, but I thought the term "ruler" was less confusing. Guess not!

Did you catch the interview with "Joe the Plumber" this morning? I'm voting for JTP!
6,675 posted on 10/16/2008 4:52:22 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: All; spectre; MeekOneGOP; Fred Nerks; TigersEye; floriduh voter; MHGinTN; snippy_about_it; ...

GAME CHANGER! [last ping of morning]

[transcript of Ayers debate [condensed]

MCCAIN: Yes, real quick. Mr. Ayers, I don’t care about an old washed-up terrorist. But as Senator Clinton said in her debates with you, we need to know the full extent of that relationship.

Obama: And I think the fact that this has become such an important part of your campaign, Senator McCain, says more about your campaign than it says about me.

MCCAIN: Well, again, while you were on the board of the Woods Foundation, you and Mr. Ayers, together, you sent $230,000 to ACORN. So — and you launched your political campaign in Mr. Ayers’ living room.

OBAMA: That’s absolutely not true.

MCCAIN: And the facts are facts and records are records.

OBAMA: And that’s not the facts.

MCCAIN: And it’s not the fact — it’s not the fact that Senator Obama chooses to associate with a guy who in 2001 said that he wished he had have bombed more, and he had a long association with him. It’s the fact that all the — all of the details need to be known about Senator Obama’s relationship with them and with ACORN and the American people will make a judgment.

[Major smackdown! Hillary’s opinion invoked and BO reduced to pathetic lies etched in stone.]

[The most unreliable ping list in the FR. Want off list? Feel free to cuss me out. Want on this ping list? Just ‘ax’.]


6,676 posted on 10/16/2008 4:59:17 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("Never tell me the odds!" -- Han Solo)
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To: tanknetter

bttt


6,677 posted on 10/16/2008 5:20:22 AM PDT by Guenevere (We will NOT collapse.The New World Order WILL collapse.This is our last chance!)
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To: rip033
It was too obvious. Fox acting like MSNBC just doesn't make sense. Another thought occurred, what if they did this just to get Republicans stirred up, rearing to go? Or what if they did this just to shut up the msm about Fox's supposed “bias” to McCain? I think it is mainly the first, partly the second. Kill two birds with one stone. Piss us off & fired up, and get the dupes to agree on the fair & balanced thing.
6,678 posted on 10/16/2008 5:23:51 AM PDT by graywaiter (Gotta love those gun tote'n mommas.......)
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To: wagglebee; cpforlife.org

OK, my most determined pro-life FRiends — your time has come! [And please ping other abortion researchers. I’ll study your responses.]

McCain cornered Obama on the live birth abortion debate, and the moderator appeared to rattle him when he had a chance for the death blow [and, based on reading the transcript] apparently cut him off. But that’s OK. Obama had no choice but to lie his way out. Here’s where your study can kick in:

MCCAIN: Senator Obama, as a member of the Illinois State Senate, voted in the Judiciary Committee against a law that would provide immediate medical attention to a child born of a failed abortion. He voted against that.

And then, on the floor of the State Senate, as he did 130 times as a state senator, he voted present.

Then there was another bill before the Senate Judiciary Committee in the state of Illinois not that long ago, where he voted against a ban on partial-birth abortion, one of the late-term abortion, a really — one of the bad procedures, a terrible. And then, on the floor of the Illinois State Senate, he voted present.

I don’t know how you vote “present” on some of that. I don’t know how you align yourself with the extreme aspect of the pro- abortion movement in America. And that’s his record, and that’s a matter of his record.

And he’ll say it has something to do with Roe v. Wade, about the Illinois State Senate. It was clear-cut votes that Senator Obama voted, I think, in direct contradiction to the feelings and views of mainstream America.

SCHIEFFER: Response?

OBAMA: Yes, let me respond to this. If it sounds incredible that I would vote to withhold lifesaving treatment from an infant, that’s because it’s not true. The — here are the facts.

There was a bill that was put forward before the Illinois Senate that said you have to provide lifesaving treatment and that would have helped to undermine Roe v. Wade. The fact is that there was already a law on the books in Illinois that required providing lifesaving treatment, which is why not only myself but pro-choice Republicans and Democrats voted against it.

And the Illinois Medical Society, the organization of doctors in Illinois, voted against it. Their Hippocratic Oath would have required them to provide care, and there was already a law in the books.

With respect to partial-birth abortion, I am completely supportive of a ban on late-term abortions, partial-birth or otherwise, as long as there’s an exception for the mother’s health and life, and this did not contain that exception.

And I attempted, as many have in the past, of including that so that it is constitutional. And that was rejected, and that’s why I voted present, because I’m willing to support a ban on late-term abortions as long as we have that exception.

The last point I want to make on the issue of abortion. This is an issue that — look, it divides us. And in some ways, it may be difficult to — to reconcile the two views.

But there surely is some common ground when both those who believe in choice and those who are opposed to abortion can come together and say, “We should try to prevent unintended pregnancies by providing appropriate education to our youth, communicating that sexuality is sacred and that they should not be engaged in cavalier activity, and providing options for adoption, and helping single mothers if they want to choose to keep the baby.”

Those are all things that we put in the Democratic platform for the first time this year, and I think that’s where we can find some common ground, because nobody’s pro-abortion. I think it’s always a tragic situation.

OBAMA: We should try to reduce these circumstances.

SCHIEFFER: Let’s give Senator McCain a short response...

MCCAIN: Just again...

SCHIEFFER: ... and then...

MCCAIN: Just again, the example of the eloquence of Senator Obama. He’s health for the mother. You know, that’s been stretched by the pro-abortion movement in America to mean almost anything.

That’s the extreme pro-abortion position, quote, “health.” But, look, Cindy and I are adoptive parents. We know what a treasure and joy it is to have an adopted child in our lives. We’ll do everything we can to improve adoption in this country.

But that does not mean that we will cease to protect the rights of the unborn. Of course, we have to come together. Of course, we have to work together, and, of course, it’s vital that we do so and help these young women who are facing such a difficult decision, with a compassion, that we’ll help them with the adoptive services, with the courage to bring that child into this world and we’ll help take care of it.

SCHIEFFER: Let’s stop there, because ... [snip.]

[Did he interrupt McCain there, I wonder?]


6,679 posted on 10/16/2008 5:28:44 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("Never tell me the odds!" -- Han Solo)
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To: Danae
I have to admit this, Obama is just a beautiful speaker, really he is (no I am not drinking) (Seriously). Lyrical, Beautiful, flowing, full of georgeous phrasing. He has just learned how to do it so very well... he had great teachers!

I could not agree with you more. He does believe, as you so accurately put it, in the ambrosia of his poison. He has a real knack to tell people what they want to hear. He will say anything to get the job of president, and McCain subtlely pointed that out. (He is "thinking about off shore drilling"). He has great teachers .... Satan.

6,680 posted on 10/16/2008 5:32:45 AM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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