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Child support law leaves man a default dad
Tulsa World ^ | October 13, 2008 | Jarrel Wade

Posted on 10/14/2008 4:39:29 AM PDT by RogerFGay

Brande Samuels, 29, shows some
of the child support documents from
the Oklahoma Department of Human
Services. Samuels has been forced by
the state to pay child support for a
child but DNA tests show he is not the
father. SHERRY BROWN /
Tulsa World Friday


He promised himself and his family that when he left his prison cell, he would work hard to build a stable and positive life. After two years in prison, he was released early on good behavior and worked for less than minimum wage while he trained to become a welder. But that's when he first got notice from the Oklahoma Department of Human Services' Child Support Enforcement Division that he owed child support, he said.

Now, Samuels owes about $13,000 in back child support, he lives with his ailing grandfather and DHS seizes portions of his wages every month. "The last four years have been the worst in my life," Samuels said about life since leaving prison in 2004. "I went into so much debt." Samuels said under other circumstances he would take full responsibility for the child as a father should.

But he is not the father.


0.00 percent chance

Samuels was aware of the possibility that he might be the father during the pregnancy, he said. But the mother had been in another relationship at the same time.

"She wouldn't even allow me to sign the birth certificate," he said.

Two months later, the mother — Nadia Smith — put his name down as the father when she filed for child support, which Samuels wouldn't learn about until after his Oklahoma prison sentence, he said.

"They make (the mother) give up a name for the potential father. If she doesn't give up a name, then she can't get any assistance," Samuels said about the process to receive child support.

Jeff Wagner, spokesman for DHS, said when a mother is opening a child support case, she names the alleged father and provides "a great deal of information" in the Mother's Affidavit of Paternity.

In 2004, when Samuels left prison and learned of his obligation to DHS, case workers told Samuels if he wanted to fight the original order and get a hearing, he needed a lawyer, he said.

"I just want to be heard," he said. "The court was made for justice. It was made to help make the right decision."

Samuels did not have enough money to pay a lawyer, and no one would take his case for free, so in 2006, he approached Neighbor for Neighbor, a Tulsa nonprofit organization. They helped him prepare papers to require the mother to provide the child for a DNA test.

He found out then that the mother had left the state and had to be tracked down. She had left Oklahoma for Texas, Texas for Iowa, and then Iowa for Mississippi between 2004 and 2007, he said.

Neighbor for Neighbor helped Samuels track her through the courts and filed court papers seeking a DNA test from the child in March 2007, according to court records.

Two months later, Samuels received DNA evidence that the child support had been based on a false assumption. He was not the father — 0.00 percent chance.

"I was hurt. I was actually hurt because they put me through all this stuff without the child even being mine," he said.

After his three years of work, he believed he would be forgiven all his debt for the child, he said.

But it wasn't forgiven, and according to Oklahoma law, it won't be forgiven.


Default fatherhood

In child support cases, the burden of proof is on the alleged father — the accused — according to Oklahoma statutes.

An alleged father must appear at a child support hearing to request a paternity test. If he does not appear, he is legally designated as the father and child support is established in most cases.

Once designated as the father, that person is financially responsible for the child until he or she is 18 or adopted with a few stipulations for petitions which may vacate the original order, according to Oklahoma statutes.

DHS records show that Samuels was served papers to appear for his child support hearing in 2001, but Samuels said he was working in Texas at the time and could not have received the notice.

Wagner said by Oklahoma law someone can be legally served if the subpoena is put into the hands of someone 15 or older who lives at the same residence as the person.

But Samuels said the documents never touched his hands.

Regardless of the outcome of the DNA test, which Samuels spent three years trying to get, it was already too late.

Samuels was ruled the default father in 2001, and legally, DNA has no bearing.

"If you got me on default, you should still have to prove that I'm the father," he said.

This is the second recent story in the media of a default father being forced to pay child support in a bureaucratic nightmare with DHS.

The first, reported by The Oklahoman, was about Micheal Thomas of Tulsa, who had shown that he had never even met the mother and that he had DNA evidence that showed he wasn't the father. Still, he became a default father after missing his initial court hearing.

DHS does not keep statistics on the number of established fathers or default fathers who are not genetically related to the child they are responsible for, Wagner said.

In the eyes of the law and DHS, once paternity is established, there is no difference.

DHS officials would not comment on whether any changes have been made in establishing paternity since the Micheal Thomas case was reported.


Paternity figures

Between April 1, 2007, and March 31, the state Department of Human Services established paternity of 20,452 children in Oklahoma —of those cases, 5,208 were forced through court order, according to DHS Child Support Enforcement Division records.

In the same time period, there were 3,127 paternity tests conducted in DHS cases. Of those, 781 of the alleged fathers were found not to be the genetic father and were released from the case.


Jarrel Wade 581-8310
jarrel.wade@tulsaworld.com



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: childsupport; custody; paternity
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To: ikka
considering that child support payments could be some $100,000 over 18 years.

That would be much, much lower than average today.
61 posted on 10/14/2008 7:14:59 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: spetznaz
Fact is, this is mostly Ronald Reagan's fault. Ronald Reagan's Mistake
62 posted on 10/14/2008 7:16:24 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: laotzu
Wow!! That’s good stalking.

I'm not defending wtc911 or Roger Gay here but doing research on the internet is not necessarily stalking. I think Mr. Gay might welcome people looking him up online in order to read more of his writings. If I'm mistaken, I'm sure he'll say so.

63 posted on 10/14/2008 7:16:38 AM PDT by An American In Dairyland (BTW, I am a woman :)
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To: E=MC2
I think this was part of the republican welfare reform. To deny welfare benefits unless the father was named.

This assumes that the woman KNOWS the guy's name. And this is not that unlikely if she's dating a thug from the hood who answers to a street name and does not give out his real legal name.

64 posted on 10/14/2008 7:17:17 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

Problem is that the people responsible for this gross miscarriage of justice include all the elected Republicans and Democrats in the country. They include the judges that have been supporting the corruption for the past few decades. So you’re asking that the people in power act against themselves, which they’re not going to do.


65 posted on 10/14/2008 7:18:27 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: FrogMom
This sucks, the guy is being railroaded.

This is by no means a unique case. This is the way the law works - systematic and intentional injustice for all.
66 posted on 10/14/2008 7:20:06 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: E=MC2
I think this was part of the republican welfare reform. To deny welfare benefits unless the father was named.

But they aren't required to name THE father. They're just required to provide names.
67 posted on 10/14/2008 7:22:28 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
Fact is, this is mostly Ronald Reagan's fault. Ronald Reagan's Mistake

I can't argue with the validity of that but at least Reagan publicly endorsed the benefits of a traditional family life and acted as "something" of a role model for that in his second marriage with Nancy. GWB and his father have done the same.

It is one thing for a politician to talk the talk on *any* subject but few of them walk the talk in their own personal lives. I think a politician who does what he says others should do, should at least get credit for doing that much.

68 posted on 10/14/2008 7:22:32 AM PDT by An American In Dairyland (BTW, I am a woman :)
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To: E=MC2

i don’t have a problem with naming the father....that is the real father and in a case like this when it is proven that you are not then the courts need to deny payments to the momther and go after her for lying. why should the mother be given a free pass just to live off the system.


69 posted on 10/14/2008 7:22:52 AM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: RSmithOpt

our systems are out of control is all i can say. they want someone to pay and they don’t care who it is as long as they don’t have to deal with it any longer. its the same as railroading people through the court system and putting them in jail just because of an overzealous young prosecutor that wants to make a name for him or her self only to find out years later that the party was innocent.


70 posted on 10/14/2008 7:22:53 AM PDT by tatsinfla
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To: wtc911; laotzu; Travis T. OJustice

You’re lying about me because I live in Sweden and expose corruption that you don’t want exposed? That’s what I’m reading from what you’re saying. Once again wtc911 - are you pushing the same-sex marriage agenda?


71 posted on 10/14/2008 7:24:10 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: wtc911

You’re still lying. You have definitely done nothing to prove that I am a liar.


72 posted on 10/14/2008 7:25:11 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: PapaBear3625

Mr. Gay knows the reason for my posts.


73 posted on 10/14/2008 7:26:01 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Travis T. OJustice
LA County prosecutor Gil Garcetti is famous for making non-parental
fathers pay child support. Just having the wrong name is sufficient.


Yep, that was one of Garcetti's claims to fame.
It made him very popular with all the libs.

But The LA Times did run a good article exposing this legalized theft.
It at least generated noise; even a Democratic legislator tried
to get the law changed, but too many parties like the status quo.

What I can hardly handle is that my former state of Oklahoma
allows this Bravo Sierra to go forward.
74 posted on 10/14/2008 7:26:01 AM PDT by VOA
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To: An American In Dairyland

Except Reagan, as you know, is not a good reference in this context. More verification was needed in judgments of his work on family law reform.


75 posted on 10/14/2008 7:26:24 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: PapaBear3625
This assumes that the woman KNOWS the guy's name. And this is not that unlikely if she's dating a thug from the hood who answers to a street name and does not give out his real legal name.

You make it sound as though only poor kids, or black kids, or Mexican kids are rutting around like dogs. Yesterday I learned that my lily white, high upper class nephew and his "long time" (never heard of her before) girlfriend are having a baby in February. I urged his mother to tell him to get a DNA test BEFORE he signs *any* papers WRT the baby. She scoffed and called me paranoid. Well, I tried.

I guess its just my week to be disbelieved on the importance of these sorts of issues. I think I'll change my name to Cassandra. Oh, the irony.

76 posted on 10/14/2008 7:26:49 AM PDT by An American In Dairyland (BTW, I am a woman :)
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To: RogerFGay
Problem is that the people responsible for this gross miscarriage of justice include all the elected Republicans and Democrats

More irony.

77 posted on 10/14/2008 7:28:20 AM PDT by An American In Dairyland (BTW, I am a woman :)
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To: An American In Dairyland
MND Articles

Core Child Support Research Results
78 posted on 10/14/2008 7:29:15 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay

You are holding Reagan to a higher standard than you do other politicians. That you cannot deny because I know better. I got it from the horse’s mouth...you.


79 posted on 10/14/2008 7:30:44 AM PDT by An American In Dairyland (BTW, I am a woman :)
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To: An American In Dairyland

No ... I mean this all started with “welfare reform” - which was actually family law reform. It was the result of Ronald Reagan jumping on the N.O.W. bandwagon and then selling it to the public with conservative rhetoric. I think you know that.


80 posted on 10/14/2008 7:30:48 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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