Posted on 09/22/2008 1:04:45 PM PDT by Chet 99
Uncharacteristically low turnout for Barack Obama rally in Green Bay, Wisc.
McCain/Palin drew 4,000 more supporters at same venue a week ago
September 22, 2008
BY ABDON M. PALLASCH Staff Reporter
GREEN BAY, Wis. — Hoping to shore up support in his suddenly undependable backyard, Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama flew here Monday to talk about how he’d handle economic crises as president.
Recent polls have shown that Wisconsin — once pretty solidly in Obama’s column — is now a statistical dead heat between Obama and Republican John McCain.
“You all know that you hold this election in your hands,” Sen. Russ Feingold, a Democrat who said he worked on ethics legislation with Obama, told a crowd of about 6,000 cheering Obama fans in the arena next to Lambeau Field. “We just barely won this state for Al Gore in 2000 and we just barely won this state for John Kerry in 2004.”
The numbers in Wisconsin and Minnesota are getting close enough that the Obama campaign closed its 11 campaign offices in North Dakota and moved the 50 staffers there to these two states.
Just a week ago, John McCain and his vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin — who can bring out crowds the way Obama can — appeared in this same stadium, Resch Center, to a crowd of 10,000 fans. There were an uncharacteristic amount of empty orange seats for Obama’s rally.
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Is it just me, or does it seem like there are a lot of polls recently which suggest Obama is rebounding, yet the anecdotal and other evidences “on the ground” suggest just the opposite?
We are going to win.
Polls are unreliable, especially on a state level. Where people are campaigning and what they are doing at an organizational level tells you what you need to know. If Obama was as close in Virginia as some polls have him, he’d be putting more staff there, instead of in Wisconsin. If he was doing as well as some polls suggest, he wouldn’t be going to Green Bay, he’d be on a week long trip through Florida or Ohio.
Well, polls don’t always measure enthusiasm. Despite all the media attempts to demoralize the GOP base, it hasn’t worked so far as is evidenced by the rally attendance.
Who are you going to believe, the trusted MSM polls or your lying eyes?
There’s still a long way to go.
Obama’s people are certainly doing a terrible job by any standards, but they are smart enough to look at the party ID section of polls and re-weight accordingly. When you do that with Gallup, for instance, you get a 6 pt. McCain lead nationally. They are also doing constant polling and seeing demographic trends that we are only seeing bits and pieces of.
Obama’s people are certainly doing a terrible job by any standards, but they are smart enough to look at the party ID section of polls and re-weight accordingly. When you do that with Gallup, for instance, you get a 6 pt. McCain lead nationally. They are also doing constant polling and seeing demographic trends that we are only seeing bits and pieces of.
When gauging the meaning of an Obama crowd, one must always inquire, ‘Who was his opening act?’
Clearly, in this case, it was a B-list band.
Eeeeexxxxxactly!
What a crack up. They can spin, but they can’t bus out people to every event.
And when Sarah Palin drew a crowd of 60,000 in Florida this weekend, not a peep from NPR about the number of people in attendence.
People voting with their feet.
The more people learn about Obama, the more the “fad” wears off, slowly and steadily on towards the Palin landslide.
True, but I like how it’s shaping up.
Other thing to think about: If Obama was as close in NC as some polls show, he wouldn’t have just closed all offices in GA, because being close in NC would move you within shooting distance in GA, and other southern states.
I have been posting the same thing on other threads — watch what the campaigns are doing. Biden gets 2,000 in FL and Palin gets over 60,000. ND they close Obama offices and send staffers into WI and MN.
Going to Green Bay as one of the places you have to win shows their internals stink.
If we ran a thread on what the campaigns are doing from Freepers, I bet we would get much closer to the electoral vote then what is being said about state polls which I think for the most part are bogus. Plus if you know the polling outfits in your state, then you know when outsiders come in that their polls are bogus.
I bet analyzing what the campaigns are doing would be the most accurate.
All of these stories that have come out about racists not voting for Obama has given lefty pollsters cover to inflate his performance in the polls. When they are off by 6% it will be said that it is the Bradley effect.
“Is it just me, or does it seem like there are a lot of polls recently which suggest Obama is rebounding, yet the anecdotal and other evidences “on the ground” suggest just the opposite?”
-I get that feeling, too. That is why I said on another thread that this reminded me a lot of 1980. That year, the press kept telling us that Carter and Reagan were neck and neck but all the anecdotal evidence said otherwise. The charade continued up to election night until they called it for Reagan. It was the weirdest thing, like 1984 where they keep telling you 2+2 is 5 but you know otherwise.
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