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Is Obama A Natural Born Citizen?
TheRightPerspective ^ | 9/5/08 | TheRightPerspective

Posted on 09/13/2008 9:51:53 PM PDT by solfour

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To: solfour

The interesting thing is that he is more Arab than black.


21 posted on 09/14/2008 5:12:58 AM PDT by all the best
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To: Clioman

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2079740/posts


22 posted on 09/14/2008 5:28:14 AM PDT by sweetiepiezer (I have a pal in SARAH!!!!!!!)
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To: solfour
IMHO, Berg sounds highly credible.

He'd seem more credible if he knew how many days were in September:

2. Plaintiff’s Motion for the Expedited Discovery regarding the Deposition of Barack Obama is GRANTED and Barack Obama shall submit to a Deposition:
a. By September 31, 2008;

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23 posted on 09/14/2008 5:36:30 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Jim Noble
Why on earth would she do such a thing? (phone in fake birth info to a Hawaiian paper?)

Why, indeed? For a normal person with an illegitimate child, the answer might be to provide some minimal aura of respectability. But, everything I've heard of Ann Dunham indicates she was a far from normal leftwinger, and not at all worried about what others thought. So why indeed? Its hard to imagine an 18 year-old worrying about whether or not her bastard child would be considered a "natural-born" citizen so he could run for the president 45 or more years in the future.

24 posted on 09/14/2008 6:02:42 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: Maximum Leader

That’s very interesting, but in Hawaii a child is legitimate even if the marriage is bigamous.
See http://law.jrank.org/pages/11834/Annulment-Prohibited-Marriage-Prohibited-Marriage.html
Therefore, Obama is not a “bastard”, because he is not illegitimate.

Whether Obama was born “out of wedlock” is yet another question. My bet is that because Obama’s parents were married and divorced and the legality of the marriage has never been challenged in court, that he would not qualify as “born out of wedlock”, but this case could turn on some fine points of Hawaiian and Federal law.

Also to consider here is the origin of the designation “natural-born” which originated in English law and the purpose of which was a test for undivided loyalty “to the King”. Obama, possibly a citizen of Kenya, the USA, and Indonesia may have trouble along these lines, especially because he promoted the election of Rail Odinga in Kenya, and probably traveled to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport at a time Indonesia did not permit dual nationality.


25 posted on 09/14/2008 6:33:16 AM PDT by solfour
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To: Jim Noble

Your observation is correct — Obama not qualified for safari guide. (Visited Kenya 3x)


26 posted on 09/14/2008 7:36:57 AM PDT by 353FMG (What marxism and fascism could not destroy, liberalism did.)
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Is it possible BO’s mother was planning to travel to Hawaii where her parents resided to have the birth there - as she is an American herself (while not qualified as a citizen yet).

She may not have made it to Hawaii in time because often the arrival of the birth precludes the best made plans.


27 posted on 09/14/2008 8:13:15 AM PDT by imintrouble
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To: Pearls Before Swine

It wasn’t about establishing Natural Born-ness, it was about getting the easiest path to citizenship. If she had to acknowledge he was born overseas, there’s a ton of paperwork involved. If she pretends he was born here in a “home birth process” the paperwork is minimal.


28 posted on 09/14/2008 8:47:17 AM PDT by Kevmo (Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery. http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/certifigate/index?tab=articles)
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To: FFranco

there is a big hole in your theory ........

How did he enter Hawaii when he was 4 days old?


29 posted on 09/14/2008 8:56:40 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: Kevmo
It wasn’t about establishing Natural Born-ness, it was about getting the easiest path to citizenship. If she had to acknowledge he was born overseas, there’s a ton of paperwork involved.

Do you think she knew about the paperwork? After all, she was only 18. On the other hand, its possible she and Barack Sr. had discussed it since he had international experience and hadn't split just yet.

30 posted on 09/14/2008 9:40:38 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: solfour

Only way you can give up US citizenship is to go overseas, appear before a US consular office and verbally renounce it. Even that doesn’t always stick (Lee Havey Oswald renounced his citizenship in Russia and the US government let him back into the country. That didn’t work out so well).

Hawaii’s law is irrelevant (even if the law you cited is the same as it was in 1961), it protects the child’s legal status as legitimate offspring of the father. A child can be legitimized by parents marrying after his birth.

The federal law’s term use of “born...out of wedlock” is not quite the same thing. For purposes of the immigration code, you can’t be “born again”, even if one’s parents married after your birth.


31 posted on 09/14/2008 1:53:41 PM PDT by Maximum Leader (run from a knife, close on a gun)
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To: Maximum Leader

If you have a reference for what “born out of wedlock” definitively means in Federal law, please give it.

I doubt that “born out of wedlock” would apply in a case where the legality of the marriage has not been challenged in the last 47 years and a divorce was granted more than 40 years ago. Bigamy has to be charged and proved just like other crimes, doesn’t it? No one has done that. No one will do that.


32 posted on 09/14/2008 8:11:37 PM PDT by solfour
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Her parents probably helped on this thing. There were a lot of Japenese nationals illegally immigrating at the time and gaming the system, they could easily have taken a page out of their book.


33 posted on 09/14/2008 10:46:10 PM PDT by Kevmo (Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery. http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/certifigate/index?tab=articles)
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To: solfour

Bump for reference.


34 posted on 06/10/2011 8:18:15 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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