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Are You Too Dumb to Understand Evolution?
CreationEvolutionHeadlines ^ | September 10, 2008

Posted on 09/11/2008 9:55:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Sept 10, 2008 — Astrobiologist David Deamer believes that life can spontaneously emerge without design, but he thinks lay people are too uneducated to understand how this is possible, so he gives them the watered-down version of Darwin’s natural selection instead, which he knows is inadequate to explain the complexity of life. That’s what he seemed to be telling reporter Susan Mazur in an interview for the Scoop (New Zealand). Is the lay public really too dense for the deeper knowledge of how evolution works?...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 2smart2fall4it; atheistagenda; creation; crevo; darwin; evolution; god; intelligentdesign; scientism
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical; tpanther
Seems like the courts have disagreed with that for a long, long time. They also seem to disagree that the first amendment applies only to formal laws passed by Congress.

Strange, then I wonder why the Founding Fathers didn't eliminate all reference of God or the Bible from the public education system as it stood at the time the Constitution was written.

Or why they didn't specify that the public schools that existed at the time were agents acting in stead of the government and subject to the same restrictions as those placed on Congress?

Or why they specified only Congress and didn't add that restriction to any governmental body.

Perhaps you could explain gross oversights like that.

For that matter, it escaped the attention of the courts for close to 200 years. Maybe you could explain that while you're at it.

801 posted on 09/16/2008 7:39:24 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tacticalogic

Okay, how about it? You have your ideas about your “Creator” that are apparently different from mine. The idea seems to be the my rights came from your Creator, and I owe you for that.


Not at all. The idea was a profound one by our founders where all participate. We all have the same creator.

I personally have always felt there’s room for everything and the really kooky stuff like: “hey let’s catch a comet tail to heaven after we all snip our nuts off and kill ourselves” takes care of itself.


802 posted on 09/16/2008 7:40:51 PM PDT by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: metmom
No reasoning person could conclude that one theory is getting special treatment just because it's used as an example.

You're still making that dishonest argument? Wow. The theory was not presented as an example--if it was, the sticker would have mentioned the general case that it's an example of. It didn't.

803 posted on 09/16/2008 7:41:57 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: tpanther

Then you keep yours, and I’ll keep mine. You take care of your children’s religious upbringing, I’ll take care of mine and we both live happily ever after.


804 posted on 09/16/2008 7:44:23 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic; metmom

Careful there. Metmom is really sensitive about hyperbole.


Mmmmmmmmm not so much when used as a tool to point out...

HYPERBOLE! ;)

Say, are you Keith Olbermann?


805 posted on 09/16/2008 7:44:34 PM PDT by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: GodGunsGuts; tacticalogic
Are you saying that many (if not most) suicide bombers are not secular socialists and Communists???

Absolutely. Islam as a religion is totally at odds with any other belief or political system.

Are you saying that many of the groups labeled by the MSM as Islamic terrorists in the Middle East are not Communists and socialist revolutionaries???

Again you are confused, the MSM has gone out of its way not to properly link terrorism and Islam together. To Moslems their belief structure is of paramount importance, much like 'Christians' like you.

If that’s your understanding, then may I suggest that you are suffering from LIBERAL DERANGEMENT SYNDROME.

I think you have been listening to Savage too much. Liberalism is perfectly rational. Taking from the rich and giving to the poor with a cut for yourself is rational and emotionally appealing. Power has its own logic.

806 posted on 09/16/2008 7:47:16 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: tacticalogic
Making stuff up? Are you saying that there were not Soviet Afghanis that later went on to be mislabeled as Muslim fundamentalists by the MSM? Are you saying that many of the major terrorist groups in the Middle East are not secular Communists or socialists? Are you saying that many, if not the majority of suicide bombers in the Middle East and South Asia are not socialists/Communists? Be specific!
807 posted on 09/16/2008 7:48:23 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: LeGrande
Absolutely. Islam as a religion is totally at odds with any other belief or political system.

Read my post #754 and tell me what you disagree with.

808 posted on 09/16/2008 7:49:50 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: tacticalogic; betty boop; tpanther
The Constitution both prohibits Congress from respecting an establishment of religion and empowers it to promote science and the useful arts.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Funny how every liberal who wishes to destroy religious freedom in this country stops at the establishment clause and totally ignores the "prohibiting the free exercise thereof" part as if it's not there. That's in there too, immediately following the establishment clause.

So the Constitution empowers Congress to promote science and the useful arts? Please, show me where in the Constitution that the Founding Fathers gave Congress the authority to promote science and *useful arts* (a vague catch all term open to wide interpretation if there ever was any).

809 posted on 09/16/2008 7:49:55 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tacticalogic; metmom

If not believing that the Book of Genesis should be taught as science is the same as banning Christmas trees, what’s it going to take to make you happy? Apparently it’s got to be an all or nothing proposition.


LOL nice try...

Right now I would be thrilled if you people would just call your “I’m SOOOOOOOOOO offended by each and every-little-thing Christians do to meeeeeeee....” dogs off.

And yeah...in ALL areas...schools, courts, you name it.


810 posted on 09/16/2008 7:52:23 PM PDT by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: metmom
For that matter, it escaped the attention of the courts for close to 200 years. Maybe you could explain that while you're at it.

Integration escaped the courts for only close to 180 years.

811 posted on 09/16/2008 7:53:00 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: LeGrande

==Absolutely. Islam as a religion is totally at odds with any other belief or political system.

Granted. But that has nothing to do with my question.

==Again you are confused, the MSM has gone out of its way not to properly link terrorism and Islam together.

That all depends on the context. But I will hold my peace until Tacticalogic responds with specific answers.

==I think you have been listening to Savage too much.

Savage is where many who would otherwise turn out to be solid conservatives pickup liberal derangement syndrome.


812 posted on 09/16/2008 7:53:01 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: tpanther

If we teach the Genesis of creation, which Genesis do we teach? Genesis I which says that God created animals before man, or Genesis II which says that Adam was alone and God created animals to comfort Adam?


813 posted on 09/16/2008 7:54:50 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: tacticalogic

“Hey Sarge, there’s a college professor underneath all the makeup!”


.....actually a few of their SONS perhaps? Who was that shaggy unkempt hate American liberal again...the American al-qaeda dude?


814 posted on 09/16/2008 7:55:20 PM PDT by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

Wow...I don’t think even your Jewish friends are going to agree with you that Christians in this country aren’t American.

GOOD luck with that!

Let us know how that works out for you!

And no, it wasn’t a prank and they weren’t gubmint santas. This is really how godless liberals ARE!

Michael Newdow isn’t joking either when he hijacks his own daughter who had ZERO problems with ‘Under God’ all the way to the SCOTUS.


815 posted on 09/16/2008 8:02:05 PM PDT by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: metmom
totally ignores the "prohibiting the free exercise thereof" part as if it's not there.

Counter to your rant there are millions of people exercising their freedom of religion and no one is threatening to shut the churches down. You say "every liberal" but only once in a blue moon does one even suggest removing the tax breaks that go to the churches. Please stop with the hyperbole.

816 posted on 09/16/2008 8:05:21 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: tpanther; Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
Wow...I don’t think even your Jewish friends are going to agree with you that Christians in this country aren’t American.

tpanther, you really should stop misrepresenting the posts of others. Your deceit is obvious. You don't even restate their words. You only come up with some absurd statement falsely infering some other meaning to that person. In my Book, that is bearing false witness which is a sin. Are you not a good Christian wanting to live a good Christian life?

817 posted on 09/16/2008 8:09:37 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

So now people who don’t celebrate Christmas are non-American? I’ll be sure to let my Jewish friends know.

(And just so you know, I think all the Santas showing up on their own was a great prank. Of course, they weren’t officially sponsored by the town, so there’s no Constitutional issue.)


Wow...I don’t think even your Jewish friends are going to agree with you that Christians in this country are not American!

GOOD luck with that!

Let us know how that works out for you!

Maybe while you’re at it you can argue that Christmas isn’t an AMERICAN FEDERAL HOLIDAY while you’re at it!

And no, it wasn’t a prank and true they weren’t gubmint santas. This is really how godless liberals ARE!

But no matter how you slice it would NEVER be a freakish misinterpretation of the Constitutional “PROBLEM” even if they showed up as govt employees, as Christmas is a FEDERAL HOLIDAY!

Michael Newdow isn’t joking either when he hijacks his own daughter who had ZERO problems with ‘Under God’ all the way to the SCOTUS.


818 posted on 09/16/2008 8:12:17 PM PDT by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: ColdWater
...neither does the theory rest on scientific proof.

That indicates a complete lack of understanding of what constitutes a scientific theory.

The Darwinist Lie: “Life is Conflict” Darwin set out with one basic premise when developing his theory: The development of living things depends on the fight for survival. The strong win the struggle. The weak are condemned to defeat and oblivion.

Another strawman argument and a gross mischaracterization of the theory. It is interesting that you lie when you claim Darwin lied : )

What “The Law of the Jungle” Led to: Fascism

In the interest of brevity I didn't quote your attempt at renaming eugenics. The use of scientific theories is not always for the good : )

The best and truest attitude to have towards opposing ideas is revealed in the Qur’an.

You are joking, I hope : )

As we have so far seen, Darwinism is at the root of various ideologies of violence that have spelled disaster to mankind in the 20th century. The fundamental concept behind this understanding and method is “fighting whoever is not one of us.”

LOL Blaming Darwinism for tribalism is laughable. Just like the rest of your post. Now if there hadn't been wars before the TOE then you would have a point but there were and you don't : )

To conclude, the way to stop acts of terrorism is to put an end to Darwinist-materialist education,

Nah the way to stop acts of terrorism is to utterly defeat your enemy. Wars are won by destroying the enemy's will to fight. A nation is never really beaten until it sells its women.

It is He who sends down Clear Signs to His servant to bring you out of the darkness to the light. (Qur’an, 57:9)

God is a figment of your imagination.

819 posted on 09/16/2008 8:12:42 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: ColdWater
...neither does the theory rest on scientific proof.

That indicates a complete lack of understanding of what constitutes a scientific theory.

The Darwinist Lie: “Life is Conflict” Darwin set out with one basic premise when developing his theory: The development of living things depends on the fight for survival. The strong win the struggle. The weak are condemned to defeat and oblivion.

Another strawman argument and a gross mischaracterization of the theory. It is interesting that you lie when you claim Darwin lied : )

What “The Law of the Jungle” Led to: Fascism

In the interest of brevity I didn't quote your attempt at renaming eugenics. The use of scientific theories is not always for the good : )

The best and truest attitude to have towards opposing ideas is revealed in the Qur’an.

You are joking, I hope : )

As we have so far seen, Darwinism is at the root of various ideologies of violence that have spelled disaster to mankind in the 20th century. The fundamental concept behind this understanding and method is “fighting whoever is not one of us.”

LOL Blaming Darwinism for tribalism is laughable. Just like the rest of your post. Now if there hadn't been wars before the TOE then you would have a point but there were and you don't : )

To conclude, the way to stop acts of terrorism is to put an end to Darwinist-materialist education,

Nah the way to stop acts of terrorism is to utterly defeat your enemy. Wars are won by destroying the enemy's will to fight. A nation is never really beaten until it sells its women.

It is He who sends down Clear Signs to His servant to bring you out of the darkness to the light. (Qur’an, 57:9)

God is a figment of your imagination.

820 posted on 09/16/2008 8:13:15 PM PDT by LeGrande
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