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How To Debate a Girl, and Win (Media desparation alert!)
Slate ^ | 9/5/2008 | Dahlia Lithwick

Posted on 09/05/2008 4:36:51 PM PDT by markomalley

Joe Biden can beat Sarah Palin by pretending she's a man. And that he's not Joe Biden.

You have a problem. In less than a month, you will face off against Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin in a vice-presidential debate in St. Louis, and were you anyone but Joe Biden, it would likely be a rout. Last week, Palin proved herself a charming, confident, and gifted reader of speeches. But that doesn't change the fact that two years ago she was the mayor of a town of 6,000, crusading against dirty books at the local library. You are a six-term senator and chairman of the Senate foreign relations committee. World leaders routinely friend you, unbidden, on Facebook ("Wait … Is this the Angela Merkel?"). World leaders had never heard of Gov. Palin until last Friday.

That's your problem, Joe. Everyone expects you to win the debate, and to trounce her on the substance. But the rules for debating Gov. Palin are different. If you lecture her, you'll be seen as a sexist bully. If you act too smart, you'll be seen as a sexist bully. If you condescend to her, you'll be seen as a sexist bully. So this longtime parliamentary debater (and longer-time female) is going to humbly offer you a few tips on how to debate a girl.

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008debates; 2008veep; asbestos; beaubiden; biden; earmarks; hunterbiden; mccainpalin; obamabiden; palin; simmonscooper
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To: markomalley
...a town of 6,000...

It was 9,000 a few days ago - what happened?

Sarah is going to tear Biden to pieces in the debate. Count on it.

61 posted on 09/05/2008 6:05:25 PM PDT by meyer (Go, Sarah, Go!!)
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To: twhitak
>>I’m still perplexed at Obama’s choice in Biden. Biden was the only one with little enough sense to accept the position.

Gee, maybe it has to do with the malfeasance that Biden's family was involved with :

Here: ( from the WaPo )

Biden Family Financial Connections Detailed

Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden is facing some questions about his family's lobbying and financial dealings.

The Biden family's connections to SimmonsCooper, an Illinois law firm that specializes in representing asbestos victims, is detailed today in a Los Angeles Times investigation by Chuck Neubauer and Tom Hamburger.

The Times reports that the firm promised to finance a hedge fund deal for Biden's son, Hunter, and brother, James (which ultimately fell through); picked the law firm of another son, Beau, to work on dozens of asbestos cases in Delaware; and that SimmonsCoopers employees donated about $200,000 to Biden's campaign efforts since 2001, making the company his top donor.

Hunter Biden is a Washington lobbyist. Beau Biden, the attorney general of Delaware, gave an emotional introduction to his father at the Democratic Convention last night.

-- The Post reported yesterday that as a U.S. senator, Barack Obama sought more than $3.4 million in congressional earmarks, including $192,000 for a suburban Chicago university, for Hunter Biden's clients.


62 posted on 09/05/2008 6:06:20 PM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: markomalley
...gifted reader of speeches.

That trait might carry more weight had the teleprompter worked properly during her speech.

On a side note, one might wonder how the democrat presidential candidate might do if his teleprompter were to mis-operate mid-speech.

63 posted on 09/05/2008 6:12:47 PM PDT by meyer (Go, Sarah, Go!!)
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To: Col Freeper
This author is a debater?

Not just a debater, but a master of the art.

64 posted on 09/05/2008 6:16:19 PM PDT by meyer (Go, Sarah, Go!!)
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To: autumnraine
I’m still perplexed at Obama’s choice in Biden

There aren't many Senators that I hate more than I used to hate John McCain. Biden is the rare exception. I hate and have hated Joe Biden most of all. Ever since the Thomas hearing I have hate hate hated that arrogant, bloviating, self-righteous, excessively ambitious SOB. Therefore I was highly amused when the Obamanation chose the guy most likely to upstage him or run him over to get in front of a camera. I can't wait to see her slay him like Eowen slaying the Nazgul witch lord.

//I'm a sheepish, shameless, surging johnny-come-lately McCainiac now.

65 posted on 09/05/2008 6:22:18 PM PDT by Theophilus (A hostile working environment from the Dems or the MSM will not be tolerated.)
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To: markomalley
I have never, not in all my life, seen the political left, secular liberals, and Marxists in general, so utterly deranged and in such complete chaos over one person.

This woman is destroying them, she's driving them insane, they are all going right over the cliff. This is a fascinating phenomenon. There is something deep and visceral here, far beyond Sarah Palin. She has brought out something so visceral and deep seated and ugly in the left that I am just stunned watching it all unfold.

I wish I knew what it was. Is it the fact she's a woman who doesn't fit their mold and threatens their identity politics like Clarence Thomas did? Is it the fact she's an outsider who isn't part of the Georgetown set and cocktail circuit? Is it the fact that she is a Christian, or that she's a truly independent woman who thinks for herself and goes her own way?

Whatever it is, I can only quote Spock, "fascinating..."

66 posted on 09/05/2008 6:31:56 PM PDT by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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To: Danae

The Boston Herald today, front page: big picture of McCain, just to the left, headline...Big Mac!


67 posted on 09/05/2008 6:43:37 PM PDT by hershey
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To: markomalley

This is HYSTERICAL!

The whole nutty left wing is so TERRIFIED of the little Alaska gal that they have determined they need to give advice to a senator!

LOL


68 posted on 09/05/2008 7:22:33 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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bfl


69 posted on 09/05/2008 7:51:01 PM PDT by Titan Magroyne ("Drill now drill hard drill often and give old Gaia a cigarette afterwards she deserves it." HerrBlu)
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To: markomalley; Cindy; Shermy; Fedora; jimbo123
Remember Melanie Sloan, former Biden staffer and the overly litigious wacko group CREW? CREW has been involved in more than a few "political character assassinations" targeting GOP congressmen, etc... :

* Joseph Biden : CREW has been active only since February [2003] , so its profile is still relatively low. Yet Republicans detect a strong Democratic orientation.[Melanie] Sloan, most recently an assistant U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, is a former aide to Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del.; then-Rep. (now Sen.) Charles Schumer, D- N.Y.; and Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich......
--http://www.citizensforethics.org/news/20030719_natljrnl.php via 10 posted on 01/28/2004 10:52:10 AM PST by jimbo123
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In 1993, Ms. Sloan served as Nominations Counsel to the Senate Judiciary Committee, under then Chairman, Senator Joe Biden, where she researched the backgrounds of nominees to high level Department of Justice positions and to the federal courts. ......
--------11 posted on 01/28/2004 10:54:52 AM PST by jimbo123 )
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You are a six-term senator and chairman of the Senate foreign relations committee. World leaders routinely friend you, unbidden, on Facebook...

OCTOBER 2003 midmonth : (NORWAY : EUROPEAN SOCIALISTS MEET WITH TOP US DEMOCRATS, INCLUDING HILLARY CLINTON, JOSEPH BIDEN [See John Kerry], RON KLAIN [see Wesley Clark] AND STAN GREENBERG, FORMER CLINTON CAMPAIGN STRATEGIST) Norway's Labour Party is joining other European social democrats in linking up with the Democrats in the US. The goal is to be prepared with common strategies if a majority of them on both sides of the Atlantic come back to power. A group of European social democrats, led by former British Foreign Minister Robin Cook, met last week with several top Democratic politicians and party officials. They included US senators Hilary Clinton and Joseph Biden.
They also had meetings with Ron Klain of presidential candidate Wesley Clark's campaign, and Stan Greenberg, former US President Bill Clinton's campaign strategist in 1992.
On the agenda was European concern over current US foreign policy and the effects of globalization.
Espen Barth Eide, who led the Norwegian delegation, said the group met "understanding" that "economic globalization must be accompanied by political globalization."
There remain wide differences between the European social democrats and their counterparts in the US, who tend to be far more conservative.
Barth Eide called it "natural" however, "to begin with those (in the US) who are closest to us (in ideology), even though the Democrats of course aren't social democrats."
--- "Norwegian Labour Party Forges Ties With US Democrats," Norway Aftenposten, October 23, 2003 To: Shermy So, this clinches it. The Democrats are making arrangements to host the Fourth Internationale. 19 posted on 10/23/2003 9:16:05 PM PDT by okie01

NOVEMBER late - early DECEMBER 2003 : (JOE BIDEN MEETS WITH FRENCH LEADER CHIRAC -- see AXIS OF WEASELS )Is he saying that Joe Biden is going around the world talking to world leaders about getting Bush out of office? Joe Biden had a private meeting with Chriac back in late Nov, early Dec. I made some posts about it then. ---- Posted by Shermy to Howlin On News/Activism 09/24/2004 11:39:58 AM PDT · 580 of 601

JANUARY 2004 : (DAVOS, SWITZERLAND : WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM : US SENATOR BIDEN MEETS WITH IRANIAN FOREIGN MINISTER KAMAL KHARRAZI) Jan 24 - Senior US senator Joseph Biden criticized the American government's policies on Iran during a meeting with Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi on the fringes of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, foreign ministry said on Saturday. The ranking Democrat on the senate Foreign Relations Committee from Delaware, "stressed the importance of Iran and the role which it can play in the sensitive and volatile region" in the Middle East. Joseph Biden told the Iranian foreign minister that he hoped the existing problems between the Islamic Republic of Iran and America would be removed someday.
Kharrazi had a 90-minute meeting with Biden in a rare high-level contact between Tehran and Washington, which have held no official relations since the 1979 Islamic revolution, in full view of reporters in a lounge at the World Economic Forum.
Kharrazi, in turn, said "The Iranian nation has suffered gravely from the antagonistic steps of the American government and so long as these wrong policies continue, there will be no ground for dialogue and improving the two countries' relations."
The Iranian foreign minister stressed that:"American statesmen are required first to change their existing approach and prove their good will in order to pave the way for dialogue and diplomatic relations according to mutual respect." --------- "US senator slams anti-Iran policies," IRIB News, Tehran, 2004/01/24

MARCH 2004 : (TIME MAGAZINE INTERVIEW : JOHN KERRY SAYS HE PLANS ON SENDING A TEAM TO IRAQ TO DO HIS THINKING FOR HIM - See JOE BIDEN, RAND BEERS AND NANCY STETSON) New York – Senator John Kerry tells TIME that he "almost certainly" will send a team to Iraq "within the next few weeks or months" to help him formulate his Iraq policy positions.
"I may ask some Democratic colleagues and experts to go to Iraq and make this assessment so I have a strong basis on which to proceed," he tells TIME's Perry Bacon, Lisa Beyer and Karen Tumulty on his campaign plane from Washington, DC to Florida last week. He mentions Senate colleague Joseph Biden, chief campaign foreign policy adviser Rand Beers and longtime Kerry Senate aide Nancy Stetson. But, says White House communications director Dan Bartlett, Kerry's "mission to finally understand what is happening in Iraq reveals once again that (his) attacks are based on politics, not facts." ---- "JOHN KERRY TELLS TIME HE WILL 'ALMOST CERTAINLY' SEND HIS OWN TEAM TO IRAQ TO ASSESS SITUATION 'WITHIN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS OR MONTHS'

JANUARY 11?, 2007 : (BIDEN STANDS UP IN IRAN'S DEFENSE...) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush's warnings to Iran and Syria to not interfere in Iraq and the arrest of six Iranians in Iraq by U.S. troops raised eyebrows Thursday on Capitol Hill, where senators warned Bush against widening the nearly four-year-old war. Sen. Joseph Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, warned Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that Bush did not have the authority to send U.S. troops on cross-border raids....(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ..
Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Nebraska, said Rice's responses had echoes of the debate over the Vietnam War, when the Nixon administration denied U.S. troops were conducting raids into neighboring Cambodia to stop the flow of weapons to South Vietnam's communist insurgency. Hagel, a veteran of that war, called Bush's plan "the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since Vietnam." "When our government lied to the American people and said we didn't cross the border going into Cambodia, in fact we did. I happen to know something about that, as do some on this committee," he said. "Madame Secretary, when you set in motion the kind of policy that the president is talking about here, it's very, very dangerous."----- "Senators to Bush: Stay out of Iran," CNN.COM ^ | January 11, 2007 | CNN.COM

Palin could have a lot of fun with this :

MARCH 2002 mid month : (AMERICAN-IRANIAN COUNCIL FETES HEGEL - SEE BIDEN, TORRICELLI) Why would Biden court Iranian-Americans [see Sadegh Namazikhah] partial to the repressive, terror-supporting, totalitarian regime? The answer appears to be as simple as a dollar sign. Biden is hardly alone. Just last week, the American-Iranian Council, a group backed by Conoco and other U.S. oil companies, feted Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., the only Republican official to criticize Bush's "Axis of Evil" speech. Biden was invited, along with Sen. Robert Torricelli, D-N.J. ---------- "Biden joins 'Axis of Evil'," by Joseph Farrah,  WorldNetDaily.com , Posted: March 21, 2002

70 posted on 09/05/2008 7:52:18 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa

There are girls.

There are ladies.

There are women.


71 posted on 09/05/2008 7:53:25 PM PDT by bannie
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To: fkabuckeyesrule

Don’t get mad about that “reader of speeches” thing - it is so funny that is what they are thinking!

Wow... is this going to be fun!


72 posted on 09/05/2008 7:56:05 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Thomas W.

Actually, all I really would like to see is that Sarah finishes by looking OK at the end of it. She really doesn’t have to score any haymakers, or look like she’s a real expert. All she needs to do is avoid sounding ridiculous, and to keep from claiming knowledge or experience that she doesn’t have.


73 posted on 09/05/2008 8:10:39 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Theophilus
I'm a sheepish, shameless, surging johnny-come-lately McCainiac now.

Yeah, well, join the rest of us. The water's fine!

74 posted on 09/05/2008 8:21:46 PM PDT by radiohead (Palin - conservative, female, mom, NRA member - good enough for me.)
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To: duckman

Just curious: Has Barack Obama been dubbed a “gifted reader of speeches” yet this time around?


75 posted on 09/05/2008 8:36:19 PM PDT by Lexinom (Sarah Palin: more executive experience than any candidate on either ticket.)
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To: Boagenes

Good post!

I have said everything you have ever since Sarah was picked-I have never seen such a blatant outright display of not only bias but hyposcrisy of the media and whacko left. I absolutely refuse to talk politics at work but I can hear them whispering, giggling, and making fun of Sarah, her hair, her glasses, her clothing, etc.
What bothers me most as a woman is the outright sexism of the left by both men and especially, women. I guess you cannot be a strong feminist woman, have a career and family, unless you are Democrat and pro-abortion.

Heck, wasn’t Gloria Steinem quoted as saying, “The only thing she has in commom with Hillary is a chromosome”. Well, PRAISE GOD that’s all she has in common with her!


76 posted on 09/05/2008 8:45:07 PM PDT by gore_sux_2000 (Sarah Palin is Ted Nugent with a Uterus!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Sarah Palin is a lurker on Free Republic.


77 posted on 09/05/2008 9:47:52 PM PDT by adversarial
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To: ModelBreaker
If she mentions the Washington media elite that hate her, you can truthfully tell her they've been calling you a blowhard for decades.

Hating is all right, as long as they respect you. Calling you a blowhard says they have contempt for you.

78 posted on 09/05/2008 9:53:58 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Does anyone remember the olden days when the US presidential election was boring?)
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To: autumnraine
I'm still perplexed at Obama’s choice in Biden.

On The Australian blog a poster said he discussed with a expat US lecturer of the lefty persuasion. They went though the list of the 7 usual reasons for a VP pick and couldn't match Biden to any.

They finally concluded "Russia invaded Georgia, and Obama blinked"

79 posted on 09/05/2008 10:01:16 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Does anyone remember the olden days when the US presidential election was boring?)
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To: markomalley
"World leaders routinely friend you, unbidden, on Facebook"

I thought you trying to portray Biden in a positive light.

"Even if she pulls out her breast pump during commercials, "

Jeez? What's with self-loathing leftist women?

80 posted on 09/06/2008 12:36:36 AM PDT by Impy (Spellcheck hates Obama, you should too.)
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