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Stalin's mass murders were 'entirely rational' says new Russian textbook praising tyrant
Daily Mail ^ | 09/03/08 | Will Stewart

Posted on 09/02/2008 10:22:27 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Stalin's mass murders were 'entirely rational' says new Russian textbook praising tyrant

By Will Stewart

Last updated at 1:10 AM on 03rd September 2008

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Ruthless: 20 million died as a result of Stalin's actions

Stalin acted ‘entirely rationally’ in executing and imprisoning millions of people in the Gulags, a controversial new Russian teaching manual claims.

Fifty-five years after the Soviet dictator died, the latest guide for teachers to promote patriotism among the Russian young said he did what he did to ensure the country’s modernisation.

The manual, titled A History of Russia, 1900-1945, will form the basis of a new state-approved text book for use in schools next year.

It seems to follow an attempt backed by Prime Minister Vladimir Putin to re-evaluate Stalin’s record in a more positive light.

Critics have taken exception, however, to numerous excerpts, which they say are essentially attempts to whitewash Stalin’s crimes.

In the West, it has been widely accepted that in the 1920s millions were shot, exiled to Siberia, or died of starvation after their land, homes and meagre possessions, were taken to fulfil Stalin’s vision of massive ‘factory farms.’

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: education; history; indoctrination; massmurder; stalin; whitewash
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1 posted on 09/02/2008 10:22:27 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: MarMema; AdmSmith

Ping!


2 posted on 09/02/2008 10:23:07 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Anyone who attempts to "rationalize" mass-murder is prima facie, irrational...

the infowarrior

3 posted on 09/02/2008 10:25:44 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The Poles will be happy to hear this. So will the Ukrainians.


4 posted on 09/02/2008 10:25:47 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Joe Biden's first wife Neilia Hunter killed herself and their daughter.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Ho-ly cow!

Praising a ghoul like Stalin; sick.


5 posted on 09/02/2008 10:25:49 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Oh, my. We must not provoke the Russian bear. /paleo wimp


6 posted on 09/02/2008 10:26:41 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I advise Russian students to use this textbook for bathroom purposes.


7 posted on 09/02/2008 10:27:17 PM PDT by popdonnelly (I'll tell you a little secret: we're smarter and more competent than the Left.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

You have to feel sorry for the Russians. They are always exploited by a ruling class and fed a lot of BS by said ruling class.


8 posted on 09/02/2008 10:28:49 PM PDT by popdonnelly (I'll tell you a little secret: we're smarter and more competent than the Left.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Khrushchev brought De-Stalinisation

Medvedev/Putin bring Re-Stalinisation.

9 posted on 09/02/2008 10:35:15 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The author of that manual should go read David Hume or F.A. Hayek to understand why being “rational” might not be a good thing.


10 posted on 09/02/2008 10:36:05 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: infowarrior
Anyone who attempts to "rationalize" mass-murder is prima facie, irrational...

Why cannot someone be rational and evil? Behavior is rational if it is the most effective way to meet one's objectives. If the most effective way to meet one's objectives is to kill 50 million people, then the killing may be entirely rational.

To be sure, most people who are not evil would have the avoidance of bloodshed as one of their objectives. For such people, killing 50 million people would be sufficiently contrary to their objectives as to be irrational. For evil people who don't mind bloodshed, however, mass killing is entirely rational if it helps to achieve other objectives. Call such people evil all you like, but that doesn't make them irrational.

11 posted on 09/02/2008 10:36:39 PM PDT by supercat
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To: supercat
Behavior is rational if it is the most effective way to meet one's objectives.

*This* is why utopias never work. They all begin on this faulty premise, then proceed to use the blood and bones of those who disagree as the foundation of the utopia. Which, in turn devolves the utopia into a dystopia...

the infowarrior

12 posted on 09/02/2008 10:40:15 PM PDT by infowarrior (“Let the voters decide if Palin is laughable.”-Tublecane)
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To: supercat

The problem is, if you’ve read Conquest’s The Great Terror, there were millions of killings and imprisonments that were entirely IRRATIONAL. Now, of course, this atomizes civil society, thus ushering in the permanent state of terror (but reducing the use of resources as more surrender to the tyranny) but there were specific cases that did not help Stalin’s overall goals.

More importantly, Stalin easily could have achieved many of those goals, obtained absolute power and still done things in a less bloodthirsty fashion.

One thing that jumps WAY out is that he ACTUALLY took Hitler at his word AND purged the Red Army, depriving it of its best leadership-—FOR NO PURPOSE WHATSOEVER, other than extending terror. It cost lives and progress in WW II and damaged the military of the State he led. These are not rational, even if the extension of a terror-state across that landmass was an objective of his (along with consolidation of his power.)


13 posted on 09/02/2008 10:46:45 PM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: infowarrior

Stalin was Insane, and a Paranoid Lunatic.
He Murdered Millions.

and He is Idolized By The American Commie Leftists in Hollywood, and the Media, and the College Elitists.

They are the “usefull idiots” of Stalin and His Satanic offspring.

Robert Scheere,Ayers and Dorn,Code Pinkos...they are all the same.


14 posted on 09/02/2008 10:48:09 PM PDT by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: supercat

Pace Chesterton: the madman is not one who has lost reason, it is one who has lost everything but reason.

You’re exactly right. And likewise Hitler’s attempt to exterminate millions is entirely rational as well - if you accept his underlying assumptions and values.


15 posted on 09/02/2008 10:48:13 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
he did what he did to ensure the country’s modernisation.

Well, he certainly did a bang-up job, then.
16 posted on 09/02/2008 10:49:09 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Bristol Palin's pre-born baby has the same amount of executive experience as Obama & Biden COMBINED)
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To: Army Air Corps

Sadly, right after Khruschev (who was himself a Stalinist creature, whose rise was owed to his participation in the Terror) made those small steps, they began to reverse themselves.

This has been coming a long time. The problem is, Stalin killed of even his own allies, simply because they were a threat to a state subsumed totally to his whim and his particular vision for Marxist-Leninist ideology.


17 posted on 09/02/2008 10:51:16 PM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: LtKerst
Stalin was Insane, and a Paranoid Lunatic. He Murdered Millions.

No doubt. Putin & Company are likewise insane, as they try to "rationalize" those murders as necessary. My point stands. Anyone who tries to rationalize mass-murder is prima facie, irrational...

the infowarrior

18 posted on 09/02/2008 10:51:50 PM PDT by infowarrior (“Let the voters decide if Palin is laughable.”-Tublecane)
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To: Question Liberal Authority

As pointed out (again, I must give credit to Conquest’s books on the matter) Stalin actually IMPEDED the work on progress towards modernization.

The ‘rightists’ of the Communist Party wanted them to take an incremental and gradual approach to collectivization. Stalin would have none of it and it led to the deliberate starvation of millions (and the more violent murders of same) of Ukrainians and other ‘kulaks.’ Stalin’s brutal industrialization was similarly counterproductive compared to the groundwork that Lenin had laid.

The ridiculous quotas that were set ended up promoting the black-market, statistic-distorting, inefficient and destructive (environmentally too) institutional practices that would soon become synonymous with the “great hope for humanity” that was the Soviet Union.


19 posted on 09/02/2008 10:56:04 PM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: supercat

The mass murder that went on throughout the time of Stalin was basically an extension and expansion of the Red Terror that began with Lenin. The grip Lenin and the communists had on Russia was tenuous in the early years and the assassination attempt on Lenin obviously shook him up and he decided to crush any opposition through the means of mass murder. Wiki link to the period known as the Red Terror http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror


20 posted on 09/02/2008 11:00:36 PM PDT by xp38
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