Posted on 09/01/2008 9:05:11 AM PDT by WackySam
ST. PAUL -- The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said on Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.
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For all these so called christians they can be pretty rough. It still seems to me the parents are responsible for the actions of the child. Having sex at 17 is not a good choice. Not having an abortion is a good thing but it should not come to that.
The bad thing is people excusing bad behavior; the good thing hopefully we all sit down with our kids and re-explain the birds and bees. I hope the Palins give up this VP stuff and “Focus on the Family.” I could go for Fred or Pence or several other people.
I got it from the original NY Post article
Libs want her to abort the child for sure.
I miss understood your post. I heard Barack spinning on ABC news radio
Get em Bill!
Clearly the Palin family is very far from being such a house. They have problems which fall under regular maintenance and repairs. No need to talk to tear them down.
But we have in our society many families of bad habit and a culture that tolerates, indulges and even celebrates such habits. Families like that need the strongest of rebukes and being set apart from by the many.
Only then will such louts of families decide to better themselves.
Trying to graft goodness on a bad foundation will not work. The foundation has to be replaced first. And that means a tear down phase.
Thanks for explaining!
[I hope the Palins give up this VP stuff and “Focus on the Family.”]
Palin 2016! Palin 2016! Palin 2016! Palin 2016! Palin 2016! Palin 2016! Palin 2016! Palin 2016! Palin 2016!
I cannot begin to guess how many politicians arranged for quiet abortions to save their precious careers. It would have been the expedient thing to do.
Palin 2016! Palin 2016! Palin 2016! Palin 2016! Palin 2016! Palin 2016! Palin 2016! Palin 2016! Palin 2016!
Cuz, I never read the start of this thread.
Xena and I have no fight..... : )
I stepped in it....I was wrong....
We spoke, she knows, we are good.
When people choose the hard path, exposing themselves to public scorn— for the sake of an innocent life— I respect that. It’s the people who murder in the shadows for selfish reasons, those are the real creeps.
This pregnancy of her unwed daughter will have zero impact on Sarah Palin or John McCain, they are are still going to win to your dismay and that is a certainty. What this showed is Sarah Palin and her family belief in life and they chose to keep the life of this baby unborn. Also the father will take responsibility and marry Palin daughter. If all out of wedlock pregnancies end up as this one we will be in much better shape.
Yes, all those silly people who believe the words of Jesus that He will forgive all who ask for forgiveness.
Rarely have I seen such pretentious self-rightousness as I have on this thread. Did you know that some right here on FR have the power and authority to judge who has committed sin? Why, they are way ahead of Obama, they are indeed anointed.
Sex before marriage is the norm not the exception. Sex between teenagers is extremely common. At one time, in this very Country, teenagers getting married, having sex and raising children was quite acceptable.
It appears that good people are happy about a new, unique, priceless life addition to their family. It also appears that this child will grow up with an abundance of love.
I smile at God's plan.
I think you’re misunderstanding what they are trying to tell you. What dschapin and NoGrayZone are referring to is NOT the misunderstanding about the use of the word ‘slut’. You need to go back and re-read xenalyte’s posts.
We want neither, both are death.
We want responsible men to marry a good wife, to grow as a couple become one, and a couple become a multitude, in love, with both children and good deeds.
Xena and I have spoke, all is well.
: )
I believe Sarah Palin to be a person of personal integrity, and a great parent, but if "don't do it until marriage" doesn't work in her home, then there's little hope for it with young people who only hear that message in a school setting.
McCain knew about this and still went ahead with his choice of Sarah Palin. Then Palin said, she was okay with it. IMO, that is poor judgment all the way around
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exactly.
It is not about sex marriage parenting church, its about not telling the American people, hiding it from them. Knowing people would be motivated and writing checks. Very bad judgement.
Wrong again...from http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9107chap.asp
The argument against contraception, specifically coitus interruptus, based on this passage used to be considered straightforward. In recent years, both Protestant and Catholic commentators have downplayed, if not outright rejected, the anti-contraception interpretation of this text. Their argument goes like this: Onan's sin consisted solely in his abandonment of his familial obligations to his dead brother. Onan performed the act which bears his name because the child which might have resulted would have been counted as his brother's, rather than his own--something Onan found intolerable.
The difficulty with this argument is that violation of the Levirate law was not a capital offense. If a man didn't fulfill his obligations to his deceased brother's wife, she was to take the matter to the elders, who would counsel him and try to persuade him to change his mind. If he persisted, the widow was to "go up to him and strip his sandal from his foot and spit in his face, saying publicly, 'This is how one should be treated who will not build up his brother's family!'" (Deut. 25:9).
While such a punishment might be embarrassing, it falls short of the death sentence Onan received for his act. This suggests he sinned not only by violating the Levirate law, but also by the way in which he did so. The kind of act he committed was so despicable that, in the Old Testament context, it was punishable by death.
John Kippley, in Covenant, Christ and Contraception (New York: Alba House, 1970, page 19), explains it this way:
"Onan went through the motions of the life-giving act but refused to accept the consequences. He withdrew in order that the act could carry no reproductive consequences . . . [H]e went through the motions of the Levirate covenant, but he denied the reality of that covenant."
Catholic teaching regards marriage as a covenant which has as one of its constituent elements an openness to new life and the procreative good. Sexual intercourse involves a renewal of the marriage covenant. Contraceptive intercourse is a violation of that covenant because it acts directly against procreation, one of the basic goods of marriage.
By acting contraceptively, Onan robbed sexual intercourse of its life-giving meaning and acted against the good of his potential offspring's life. Both his intent and his concrete actions were against life. As a result, Onan received the Old Testament penalty for his crime.
That's the Catholic teaching from the beginning. Here is the Protastant teaching up until 1930 which agrees:
MARTIN LUTHER
(SIXTEENTH-CENTURY FOUNDER OF LUTHERANISM)
"[T]he exceedingly foul deed of Onan, the basest of wretches . . . is a most disgraceful sin. It is far more atrocious than incest and adultery. We call it unchastity, yes, a sodomitic sin. For Onan goes in to her—that is, he lies with her and copulates—and, when it comes to the point of insemination, spills the semen, lest the woman conceive. Surely at such a time the order of nature established by God in procreation should be followed. Accordingly, it was a most disgraceful crime. . . . Consequently, he deserved to be killed by God. He committed an evil deed. Therefore, God punished him" (Commentary on Genesis).
JOHN CALVIN
(SIXTEENTH-CENTURY FOUNDER OF CALVINISM)
"The voluntary spilling of semen outside of intercourse between man and woman is a monstrous thing. Deliberately to withdraw from coitus in order that semen may fall on the ground is doubly monstrous. For this is to extinguish the hope of the race and to kill before he is born the hoped-for offspring" (Commentary on Genesis).
LUKAS OSIANDER
(SIXTEENTH-CENTURY LUTHERAN)
"[Onan’s contraceptive act] was an abhorrent thing and worse than adultery. Such an evil deed strives against nature, and those who do it will not possess the kingdom of God (1 Cor. 6:9–10). The holier marriage is, the less will those remain unpunished who live in it in a wicked and unfitting way so that, in addition to it, they practice their private acts of villainy" (Commentary on Genesis).
JAMES USSHER
(SEVENTEENTH-CENTURY ANGLICAN BISHOP)
"How doth a man exercise uncleanness in [the sexual] act? Either by himself or with others. How by himself? By the horrible sin of Onan (Gen. 38:9), lustful dreams and nocturnal pollutions . . . arising from excessive eating and unclean cogitations or other sinful means" (On the Seventh Commandment).
SYNOD OF DORT
(SEVENTEENTH-CENTURY CALVINIST COUNCIL)
"[Onan’s contraceptive act] was even as much as if he had, in a manner, pulled forth the fruit out of the mother’s womb and destroyed it" (Dutch Annotations on the Whole Bible, authorized by Dort).
COTTON MATHER
(SEVENTEENTH-CENTURY PURITAN)
"It is time for me to tell you that the crime against which I warn you is that self-pollution, which, from the name of the only person that stands forever stigmatized for it in our Holy Bible, bears the name of ‘onanism’" (The Pure Nazirite).
JOHN WESLEY
(EIGHTEENTH-CENTURY FOUNDER OF METHODISM)
"Onan, though he consented to marry the widow, yet to the great abuse of his own body, of the wife he had married, and the memory of the brother that was gone, refused to raise of seed to his brother. Those sins that dishonor the body and defile it are very displeasing to God and evidences of vile affections. Observe, the thing which he did displeased the Lord—and it is to be feared; thousands, especially of single persons, by this very thing, still displease the Lord and destroy their own souls" (Commentary on Genesis).
I’ve fornicated too, but I’ll be damned if I’m going to hell.
[Thank God that can be taken two ways.]
Ask God for forgiveness. Consider putting saltpeter on your food if you have to. But I appreciate your courage. FRegards ....
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