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Mark Steyn: Lights out on Liberty -
Imprimis - Hillsdale College ^ | March 13, 2008 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 08/24/2008 3:25:26 PM PDT by UnklGene

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1 posted on 08/24/2008 3:25:26 PM PDT by UnklGene
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Much of the West is far too comfortable with state regulation of speech and expression, which puts freedom itself at risk.
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We are at a major turning point in our history of our freedoms. Hussein must be kept out of the White House.


2 posted on 08/24/2008 3:27:36 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: UnklGene

Love you Mark. Missed you. Keep telling the truth.


3 posted on 08/24/2008 3:28:48 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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Ultimately, our crisis is not about Islam...It’s about us. And by us I mean the culture that shaped the modern world, and established the global networks, legal systems, and trading relationships on which the planet depends... To reprise Sir Edward Grey, the lamps are going out all over the world, and an awful lot of the map will look an awful lot darker by the time many Americans realize the scale of this struggle.

Bears repeating and engraving in one's memory. This is very frightening. If Obama gets in, we're going to take a quantum leap in this direction.

4 posted on 08/24/2008 3:35:45 PM PDT by livius
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To: shalom aleichem

This is an old speech. Where is he now? He hasn’t been in NR or The Bulletin for weeks. Is he imprisoned in Canada?


5 posted on 08/24/2008 3:36:19 PM PDT by Rsgood Dsbad
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To: UnklGene

If we just follow the Constitution, no preferences will be given to Islam or any other religion. People have freedom of speech, to say what they thin, and there is separation of church and state.

However, the Constitution is being assaulted constantly by prominent politicians, judges, and even by the Supreme Court itself. About the latter, a good book to read is “The Dirty Dozen” which is about Supreme Court decisions which undermine the Constitution.


6 posted on 08/24/2008 3:37:24 PM PDT by pleikumud
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Canada is a funny place.

35 million people, about 20% of whom recently arrived from the Third World.

And they claim to own and control the land mass to the north or us.

Which is hilarious, considering that they number less than the current population of California.

100 years ago there would have been no thought of a U.S. invasion or takeover, because the English Crown would have retaliated.

But that won't happen now. Those people won't even stop the invasion of their own lands.

We should dump the Canadian government as an illegitimate, terrorist friendly gpvernment, and help the Western Canadians regain control of their land and lives, principally by cutting off control from Ottawa and then expelling the aliens who now constitute a protected Fifth column in their midst.

As for the East Canadians, let them fight it out with the French. May the best gang win.

7 posted on 08/24/2008 3:40:49 PM PDT by Regulator (Obama = Mugabe)
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To: UnklGene

Steyn hits this one clear outta the park.


8 posted on 08/24/2008 3:47:36 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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While Mark Steyn is genetically incapable of writing a bad piece, this has to be one of the best I've read.

STEYN BUMP

9 posted on 08/24/2008 3:48:53 PM PDT by workerbee (Vote for Obama? No thanks, I already have a messiah.)
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Islams’ deleterious effects on freedom is not because it is a religion. It is because it is PRIMARILY a competing ideology, a complete inflexible system of GOVERNANCE called SHARIA LAW that regulates the practice of religion ruthtlessly. We are suicidally oriented to giving it equal treatment “as any other religion”...it is not any other religion. It is a governmental system dedicated to obliterating any other governmental system coming from the mind of man....meaning our CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. THere is NO separation of government and religion in Islam. Sharia law is the state in Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. Why do we ignorantly ignore the 1400 year history of this fact? Both parties in this country have extensive, interwoven relations with both sides of Islam....it may prove fatal to our existence as a Constitutional Republic. A link to the legitimization of ‘radical’ Islam connections occurring during the first day of the Dem Convention in Denver: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2008/08/dnc-interfaith-event-reaches-out-to.html#readfurther


10 posted on 08/24/2008 3:50:29 PM PDT by givemELL
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"As for the East Canadians, let them fight it out with the French. May the best gang win.



11 posted on 08/24/2008 3:51:48 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: UnklGene

-bflr-


12 posted on 08/24/2008 3:52:36 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Rsgood Dsbad

I think they have him pinned down in Canada with a serial prosoes for hate crimes. This is an Australian arrisl dexcue the Orwellian experience:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24108969-17044,00.html

Obama is not only open to this kind of PC attack on “hate speech” but is highly sympathetic to Islam. Corsi’s book demonstrates how Obama interfered in the Kenya elections to make sure the Muslims will have power sharing even though they are small percentage of population and Christians are the huge majority. Of course Obama’s father and step-father were Muslims and he himself received Islamic training (he even admits it in his own books).


13 posted on 08/24/2008 3:59:24 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: livius

http://www.laotze.blogspot.com/


14 posted on 08/24/2008 4:23:57 PM PDT by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE and Help Beat Obama)
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To: Regulator

Not just in Canada, I fear. Look at how the Somali muslims in Tenn. got the Tyson plant to include a muslim holiday on the company calendar. It’s happening hear and now.


15 posted on 08/24/2008 4:25:03 PM PDT by austinaero
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hear should be “here” - here and now.


16 posted on 08/24/2008 4:26:03 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: shalom aleichem
Love you Mark. Missed you. Keep telling the truth.

You missed him? Where has he been?

17 posted on 08/24/2008 4:31:06 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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The idea that the West’s multicultural establishment can hold the line would be more plausible if it was clear they had any idea where the line is, or even gave any indication of believing in one.

This is not just a liberal problem, it is a Western problem. The "Big Tent" Republicans want to think you can hold a culture together without unalienable norms of right and wrong, often referred to as morality.

If we can't say, "That's wrong," without fearing the destruction of some hypothetical wall of separation, we're lost. Ultimately, the notions of right and wrong become based on societal choices, and those choices are informed by those who control the media and education. It's only a matter of time before the elite run the country and, eventually, ruin it.

18 posted on 08/24/2008 4:34:40 PM PDT by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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This is not just a liberal problem, it is a Western problem. The "Big Tent" Republicans want to think you can hold a culture together without unalienable norms of right and wrong, often referred to as morality.

Sure, I agree. But who's morality? Christian? Muslim? Agnosticism?

I think society has collectively agreed that morality is a fluid concept, which means that is constantly changing to suit the realities of the times that we live in. For example, you might get some pure/hardcore Catholics to say that all contraception is immoral, but if you look at the habits of most Catholics you'll see that there is plenty of contracepting going on. Not that I have a problem with Catholics or that I'm singling them out, I'm just pointing out an example.

19 posted on 08/24/2008 4:51:03 PM PDT by Sirloin (snickering at hyperbole since 1998!)
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Sure, I agree. But who's morality? Christian? Muslim? Agnosticism?

Just by asking the question you show you don't really agree. On the one hand, it doesn't matter as long as we agree. On the other hand, it would be best if it were based on truth. Since getting at the truth is very difficult, we're stuck with the first hand.

The American Revolution in 1776 was based on primarily Reformation thinking. The French Revolution in 1789 was based on primarily Enlightenment thinking. I'd say the results speak for themselves.

I think society has collectively agreed that morality is a fluid concept, which means that is constantly changing to suit the realities of the times that we live in. For example, you might get some pure/hardcore Catholics to say that all contraception is immoral, but if you look at the habits of most Catholics you'll see that there is plenty of contracepting going on. Not that I have a problem with Catholics or that I'm singling them out, I'm just pointing out an example.

Saying there is a standard and then not measuring up to it is not the same thing as saying there is no standard. Many people have pointed out that this supposedly Christian nation had its share of adulteries and other sins.

That doesn't really matter. The fact that those who engaged in them knew they were sins is far more important than whether or not they engaged in them at all. If all Americans were monogamous, but none espoused monogamy as a good thing, that would be far worse than all agreeing that monogamy is the norm and none actually practicing it.

20 posted on 08/24/2008 4:58:40 PM PDT by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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