Mark Steyn: Lights out on Liberty -

Imprimis - Hillsdale College ^ | March 13, 2008 | Mark Steyn

[pleikumud]

I think the word is “theocracy”. Islam is a religion, and Islamic countries do not distinguish between government and religion. We do.

[JohnBovenmyer]

This is an old speech. Where is he now?

SteynOnline is on hiatus for a while as I catch up with some long-term and far-flung projects. But don't worry, we will return.

Mark Steyn posted that July 20th.

[livius]

Excellent post on laotze. That is one of the things I find extremely unnerving: the edge of menace behind Obama’s statements. The thing that puzzles me is how anyone could miss it and possibly think this guy is “nice” and “fair.” He means to threaten, it’s not just a slip of the tongue.

[Riodacat]

Yah, I guess we could do to Canada what the Ruskies did to Georgia - liberate separatist break-away territories (particularly if they have oil).
That sounds like a plan..
That wouldn't be too hypocritical, would it.

[Rsgood Dsbad]

Thank you.

[cricket]

Bravo, Mark Steyn. . .and if anyone was thinking they might like to read America Alone; it is still not too late - as it could soon well be.

But of course, reading is not enough; - we, someone. . .'we' - have got to start shaking the tree here; albeit, it does all seem almost a futile exercise, given what we are witnessing with the Barrack Hussein Obama 'rising'; and the very act of criticizing him; questioning his 'Muslim roots' or anyuthing about him for that matter; if only his name. . . Add to that the success of Islam's protector'pit bulls' as Mark gives name to (CAIR; radical Imams et al of Liberal protectors) and yes, the tide of Muslims we are about to face. It ALL feels more than grim. . .

(And speaking of 'tides'; Radical, Muslim Keith Ellison rode the wave with a host of other Demrats as they took the majority in Congress, last Election. Thank you Minnesota! How DO we start the war against PC; against Liberalism; and the 'Left'; and against radical Islam. . .what can WE do?

Our culture; our Liberal Education system; our Liberal Judicial system; our Leftest MSM is setting the parameters here; and PC mindset already firmly embedded.

What will happen should Pelosi rule. . .and/or if Obama wins; and those who are 'free thinking' become oxygen starved as a consequence?

If we send home illegal 'felon' Mexicans; can we not send 'honor killers' home. . .like just move them out of here and immediately? Instead, we read the same pap in our newspapers that Mark warns us about.

We hear the 'roar' for Change; and the change is really, a swtich to darkness; to ignorance; and too many light already out - because we put them out.

Perhaps our 'call to consciousness' should be 'For truths sake, America; KEEP YOUR LIGHTS ON!' Or 'for Democracy's sake. . .(Good grief; we have soldiers giving there lives, for what we are allowing to be extinguished here at home; while they fight.)

Anyone have ANY ideas here?

[cricket]

It's only a matter of time before the elite run the country and, eventually, ruin it.

'Big Tent Republicans' notwithstanding; the ID still is 'Liberal Elite' or now, more prominently, Leftist Elite. (In truth an oxymoron; but of course, their perception, is our reality.)

Look long enough into every major problem our Country faces today. . .including our cultural and educational decline; and you will find a Liberal 'chicken and egg'.

[Regulator]

That wouldn't be too hypocritical, would it

Well, that part of Canada was never the United States...unlike Georgia, which has been under Russian hegemony for a few hundred years off and on.

Actually it would be straight forward conquest and aggression on our part.

But no apologies. There are a lot of people in Alberta and B.C. who would welcome the opportunity to break away from the Bolsheviks in Ottawa; Western Canada, outside the cities of Vancouver and maybe Edmonton, is far more like the American West than eastern Canada.

It would be a war of Liberation! Think of it as adding another few Montana's to the U.S.

Don't be sad. It would be good for real Canadians, bad for the Third Worlders in Toronto and Montreal.

Just remember....only the dead have seen the end of war. The age old struggle against statist tyranny will never end.

A shocking suggestion I know, but there it is....

[Regulator]

Git 'im, Pierre! Whack 'im, Bill!

A good time was had by all

[Riodacat]

I suspect then that you’d be in favor of Mexico reclaiming large parts of Texas, California and other south western states.. It won’t be long before those areas are majority hispanic and politically and culturally they’re more in tune with Mexico..

[Regulator]

I suspect then that you’d be in favor of Mexico reclaiming large parts of Texas, California and other south western states..

Why no, I'm vehemently against it.

We should use massive military firepower, routine and mass deportations if necessary, and ruthless assertion of American political and cultural institutions on those who are admitted legally.

If we are weak enough to let them take over, then...they will.

If the Canadian Communists are strong enough to resist us, then...they will.

It's the way the West Was Won.

[Charles H. (The_r0nin)]

The American Revolution in 1776 was based on primarily Reformation thinking. The French Revolution in 1789 was based on primarily Enlightenment thinking.

Incorrect. The American Revolution was a direct outgrowth of Enlightenment thinking (Natural Law and Social Compact). The French Revolution was a product of Romanticsm (Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité: Liberty, Equality, and Brotherhood).

[ArGee]

ncorrect. The American Revolution was a direct outgrowth of Enlightenment thinking (Natural Law and Social Compact). The French Revolution was a product of Romanticsm (Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité: Liberty, Equality, and Brotherhood).

I disagree. The Enlightenment was the notion that rational thinking was sufficient to explain everything and this drove the French. The fact that they were more romantic should not be confused with the romantic movement, which (IIRC) proposed that some things were beyond reason and had to be understood by some other method.

The Americans recognized God as the source of unalienable rights. They also recognized the depravity of man, which caused them to build constraints into government because they knew fallen man could not be trusted. This was a specifically reformed notion. I have just finished "How Shall We Then Live" by Francis Shaeffer which has a pretty good chronicle of the changes in Western philosophical underpinnings. I'd recommend the read.

[Riodacat]

We should use massive military firepower, routine and mass deportations if necessary, and ruthless assertion of American political and cultural institutions on those who are admitted legally

In less than 100 years, Hispanics will be the majority population segment and will probably be running the country and the military. So you better hope that there's NOT going to be mass deportations and use of "military firepower" and "ruthless assertion" of dominant cultural values, or your great, great grandkids will either be playing in a mariachi band or deported back to Muslim Euroland. :D

[Regulator]

Gee, Rioda, that sorta sounds like the kind of threat that hispanics routinely engage in.

You live in Texas. My my, could there be a connection?

Here's the message you can enlighten your friends with, Reconquistador: no, you're not going take over. No, you won't be running either the government or the military, because the U.S. is not going to surrender to a bunch of Mexicans who want to subjugate the evil Anglos.

If it takes another "civil war", bud, that's what we'll do. And the descendants of the Conquista-thugs can head on back to the Third World hellholes they created.

Or we'll push them there.

[Riodacat]

I don teenk so, Gringo...

[Regulator]

You know why Zapata was so mean?

They used to call him Millie....snicker

It's funny that you picked Zapata's picture. His argument was with the Hacendados whose descendants run things to this day in Mexico. Unlike Villa, who actually went after the U.S. because of support for Carranza, and in so doing caused himself more trouble than he needed.

Neither one of those guys could be called a "Reconquista"; if anything, Villa pointedly said that he wanted Mexico to be more like the United States, and was on good terms with American military until he was basically screwed by Wilson who threw his support to Carranza.

It points out the ongoing truth: no one wants to live under the kind of hell that the Spaniard ruling class imposed on Mexico. They rebel or leave. If the Mestizo underclass were to ultimately control their own lives in Mexico, the problem of mass Mexican "meegration" to the U.S. would probably end.

But like I said, Guero...us Anglos aren't like them. We don't plan to let the self-important Spaniard Caudillo class take over here on the backs of Mestizo anchor baby voters.

You can count on it.

[Eighth Square]

How true! So many just can't seem to comprehend that our great grand-children’s great grand-children will be fighting and killing each other - warfare is inherent in mankind, period. One day, if the human race survives, we may evolve to the point where we can indeed, dance around holding hands and hugging each other, but don't bank on it. We will more than likely take our madness with us as journey to the stars. By the way Regulator, good posts!