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To: ArGee
This is not just a liberal problem, it is a Western problem. The "Big Tent" Republicans want to think you can hold a culture together without unalienable norms of right and wrong, often referred to as morality.

Sure, I agree. But who's morality? Christian? Muslim? Agnosticism?

I think society has collectively agreed that morality is a fluid concept, which means that is constantly changing to suit the realities of the times that we live in. For example, you might get some pure/hardcore Catholics to say that all contraception is immoral, but if you look at the habits of most Catholics you'll see that there is plenty of contracepting going on. Not that I have a problem with Catholics or that I'm singling them out, I'm just pointing out an example.

19 posted on 08/24/2008 4:51:03 PM PDT by Sirloin (snickering at hyperbole since 1998!)
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To: Sirloin
Sure, I agree. But who's morality? Christian? Muslim? Agnosticism?

Just by asking the question you show you don't really agree. On the one hand, it doesn't matter as long as we agree. On the other hand, it would be best if it were based on truth. Since getting at the truth is very difficult, we're stuck with the first hand.

The American Revolution in 1776 was based on primarily Reformation thinking. The French Revolution in 1789 was based on primarily Enlightenment thinking. I'd say the results speak for themselves.

I think society has collectively agreed that morality is a fluid concept, which means that is constantly changing to suit the realities of the times that we live in. For example, you might get some pure/hardcore Catholics to say that all contraception is immoral, but if you look at the habits of most Catholics you'll see that there is plenty of contracepting going on. Not that I have a problem with Catholics or that I'm singling them out, I'm just pointing out an example.

Saying there is a standard and then not measuring up to it is not the same thing as saying there is no standard. Many people have pointed out that this supposedly Christian nation had its share of adulteries and other sins.

That doesn't really matter. The fact that those who engaged in them knew they were sins is far more important than whether or not they engaged in them at all. If all Americans were monogamous, but none espoused monogamy as a good thing, that would be far worse than all agreeing that monogamy is the norm and none actually practicing it.

20 posted on 08/24/2008 4:58:40 PM PDT by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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