Posted on 08/17/2008 12:51:42 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
Update: I linked to the msm item that characterized it as a "vote." There's also this - it doesn't use the word "vote." But frankly, decision seems a reach, too - unless you're simply calculating your way to the White House back in 2002. Obama didn't make any decisions of real consequence regarding Iraq. He may have had opinions. But not only has he had a pass on any real decision-making - it isn't like he's been an anti-war leader either. While he may skate on this one, if having an opinion on the Iraq War while you're presumably doing your job as some local legislator back in Illinois at the time was his "most gut-wrenching decision," the guy hasn't been tested at all. Either way, this is just political gamesmanship by Obama and nothing akin to getting to know the man. What a farcical response, looking to inject his opposition to the war into debate for whatever purpose, instead of taking the question on for real.
Asked first what was the most gut-wrenching decision he's ever had to make, Obama said it was that he "agonized" over his opposition to the Iraq war. He said that while he was "firmly convinced" there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq at the start of the war, it was also clear that Saddam Hussein "was a really bad person" who wanted to do the United States great harm. "You do everything you can to get that decision right," Obama said. "All those questions surrounding the war have been very difficult for me."
Tonight with Rick Warren, Obawon-calliope said this:
Obama said the most gut-wrenching decision of his life was to vote against the Iraq War. McCain said it was when he declined an offer to leave a prison camp in Vietnam.
Obama didn't vote against the Iraq War. He wasn't even in the Senate! Am I missing something here? Did he somehow qualify this to make it true? Or was it simply made up?
Obama was not in the Senate at the time of the vote but opposed the war from the start. He has proposed a phased withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq to be completed by the end of March 2008, and he told reporters he was uncertain how Clinton intended to end the conflict.
PajamaHedeen at work here. Thanks! He had a lot of gaffes, didn’t he?
Also - Obama said he would “confront” evil.
That wasn’t even one of the choices!
“DO WE NEGOTIATE WITH IT, DO WE CONTAIN IT OR DO WE DEFEAT IT?”
http://rickwarrennews.com/transcript/civil_forum_transcript-02.txt
It was
Obama is only a two year senator, correct? Then how could he have voted on the Iraq War years before that?
He said back then that he doesn’t know how he would have voted because he wasn’t in the Senate and didn’t have access to the same reports - now he claims he firmly opposed it from the start. Both cannot be true.
Oh I’m sure it is just fine with the MSM that Obama said his most gut-wrenching moment was his decision to vote against the Iraq War....when he never did get to “vote” because he was not in the US Senate at the time but a member of the State Senate of ILL. Everyone knows Obama has trouble remembering where he was and of course did not keep records when he was a state senator.....like in 1999 or in 2002.
Heres the “QUESTIONS THAT AS I SPOKE TO EXPERTS KEPT ON COMING UP
lie from the transcript;
http://www.rickwarrennews.com/transcript/civil_forum_transcript-01.txt
1 AT THE TIME THAT WE DID NOT HAVE STRONG EVIDENCE OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT AS I SPOKE TO EXPERTS KEPT ON COMING UP,
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Me Again,
Where did those question come up, Senator Obama? Trinity?
Example: Joe Bidens observations;
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/17/1204594.aspx
On Aug. 1, 2007, when Obama unveiled his counterterrorism agenda, the Biden camp fired off a snarky email congratulating him for his Johnny-come-lately position on Afghanistan, noting that during two Foreign Relations Committee hearings on Afghanistan and other subjects, Obama didnt ask questions about the Taliban, Al Qaeda, or Afghanistan.
Thats just it, Obama never was engaged in the issue, yet he claims questions kept coming up, and the Biden earlier posted comment shows Obama questions werent coming up in the Senate at that time.
Comments about Obama being intellectual and thoughtful are void of reality. Obama embellished, lied.
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More evidence Obama has Attention Deficit, from;
What is Compulsive Lying?
By Derek Wood, RN, BC, MS
Clinical Content Director
Get Mental Help, Inc.
Mental Health Matters
Mental Health Professional
Psychiatric Nurse, PhD Candidate
http://www.mental-health-matters.com/articles/article.php?artID=153
There are a number of reasons that people lie. The first is fear. This is the most common reason that people may lie, and they are taking shelter from a perceived punishment. It may be because they know they have done something wrong a single time, in which case it is not compulsive lying.
But if they are always in fear of being punished, it may become a habit, which is a second reason for lying. In this case, it may become compulsive lying, which is lying by reflex. Even when confronted by the truth, they insist the lie is the truth in this case.
A third case is learning to lie through modeling. When a people see others lie, especially when they get away with it, they may become more prone to lying.
Finally, people lie because they feel if they tell the truth they wont get what they want. Thus, out of the main reasons for lying, only lying by habit can truly be called compulsive lying.
Increased lying has been seen with a number of psychiatric diagnoses such as ADHD and Bipolar Disorder. With ADHD people will often say I dont know why I did that, and when confronted about why they lied, their answer will be the same.
ADHD children also display impulsivity, and they may lie implusively. Bipolar Disorder can be associated with low serotonin levels, which has been implicated in impulsivity, which, as indicated before, makes a person more prone to lie.
BTTT
Don’t get too excited over the 500 tons of yellowcake - Iraq admitted to having it years before the war - it acquired in in the late 1980s- and the IAEA put it under seal when they began inspections after the Gulf War.
While a lot of people pointed to it and said “aHA!” it was not a “See, I told you so” find.
Of more import was Iraq’s reconstruction of old facilities, construction of new facilities, inquiries into purchasing additional unsealed uranium, purchase of tubing for centrifuges, mobile labs, preservation of pathogen strains, retention of documents, blueprints and prototypes for centrifuges, the activities of its scientists in Libya, the fact that its long range missile development program was well ahead of what our intel suspected, its drones and spraying devices, and so on.
He also claims to have workd with McCain on the McCain Feingold CFR. He wasn’t in the Senate then either.
absolutely and that is why such a comment from him is critical to further prove what a fraud he is....
The man’s gut wrenching decision is something that had no impact on Obama, his family, the nation, or anyone at all.
Dukakis in a tank, version 2.0.
Just like Obama.
It's a sign from gawd.
"You do everything you can to get that decision right," Obama said. "All those questions surrounding the war have been very difficult for me."
Tonight with Rick Warren, Obawon-calliope said this:Obama said the most gut-wrenching decision of his life was to vote against the Iraq War. McCain said it was when he declined an offer to leave a prison camp in Vietnam.Obama didn't vote against the Iraq War. He wasn't even in the Senate! Am I missing something here? Did he somehow qualify this to make it true? Or was it simply made up?
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