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TODAY: Rev. Rick Warren puts Obama, McCain on the same stage (LIVE thread)
The Seattle Times ^ | 8/16/08 | Duke Helfand

Posted on 08/16/2008 11:59:35 AM PDT by XR7

LAKE FOREST, Calif. — When John McCain and Barack Obama appear on the same stage today, they will vividly demonstrate the reach that has made the Rev. Rick Warren among the most significant evangelists of his generation.

He's a megastar who leads the nation's fourth-largest church and reaches thousands of ministers through the Internet and crusades against poverty and AIDS. That globe-trotting work and his successful book — "The Purpose-Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?" — puts him at the vanguard of a movement that inspires young, socially conscious Christians.

But his willingness to soft-pedal political issues once central to U.S. evangelicals, such as opposition to abortion, has opened him to criticism that he has strayed from his calling to spread the Gospel.

Today's forum also is a sign of religion's importance in the 2008 presidential campaign, and the emergence of a new style of evangelical leadership on the national stage that is not tied to a single party and has broadened its social agenda beyond that of the religious right.

"This is absolutely a changing of the guard, and it suggests that the new guard of the evangelical movement is able to generate the attention and focus of both parties," said D. Michael Lindsay, a sociologist at Rice University and author of "Faith in the Halls of Power: How Evangelicals Joined the American Elite."

Warren personally invited the two candidates — "friends of mine" — via their cellphones. His event at the Saddleback Church will be broadcast live on CNN and Fox News Channel and streamed on the Web. It has among its aims "helping the church regain credibility and encouraging our society to return to civility," he said.

It's likely that fans and critics will be watching closely...

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


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To: AliVeritas

McCain is doing great.. just relax he talks with out the Uhs...


761 posted on 08/16/2008 6:06:50 PM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: jveritas
McCain first answer about General Petraeus and the Victory in Iraq was great.

You're right. Pity Petraeus is otherwise occupied. He'd make a great running mate.

762 posted on 08/16/2008 6:06:59 PM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: jackv

He definitely sounds way more sincere. Doing great. Except the Peace Corps bit. They are liberal loons.


763 posted on 08/16/2008 6:07:01 PM PDT by nckerr (www.myspace.com/ArmyKerrFamily)
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To: HonestConservative

hmmmmmmmmmmm

sounds like the crowd like McCain....

is it just me— or do they sound louder clapping for McCain than they did for the Messiah?


764 posted on 08/16/2008 6:07:07 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: tiredoflaundry

By George, I think I’m actually beginning to really like McCain.


765 posted on 08/16/2008 6:07:08 PM PDT by toomanygrasshoppers ("In technical terminology, he's a loon")
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To: dandelion


766 posted on 08/16/2008 6:07:13 PM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: Bodhi1

Oh this is hard...HAHAHA!

Yeah, McCain working against Republicans is hilarious.


767 posted on 08/16/2008 6:07:16 PM PDT by Bodhi1 (Homeschools for a reason.)
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To: eeevil conservative

Whew- I about DIED in my chair- we slid through that one...

His greatest moral failure: his first marriage.

America’s greatest- not serving enough causes greater than our self interest- BUT HE REMINDED us that we ARE THE BEST at it..


768 posted on 08/16/2008 6:07:17 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: TornadoAlley3
Obama never got off base


769 posted on 08/16/2008 6:07:19 PM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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Presidential demeanor.
Soft-spoken.
So far, so good.


770 posted on 08/16/2008 6:07:26 PM PDT by XR7
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To: toomanygrasshoppers

This is his type of forum..


771 posted on 08/16/2008 6:07:35 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (Stay Away FAY!)
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To: conservativefromGa

AMNESTY Bill


772 posted on 08/16/2008 6:07:42 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: toomanygrasshoppers

He’s funny tonight. Maybe because we did all of that Obama drinking.


773 posted on 08/16/2008 6:07:49 PM PDT by They'reGone2000 (And I DON'T want to have to change my name to They'reBack2008!)
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To: AliVeritas

So far, mclame is doing well. I don’t like him, but he’s woing well. Informed, witty, engaging, thoughtful.


774 posted on 08/16/2008 6:07:53 PM PDT by mombonn (God is looking for spiritual fruit, not religious nuts.)
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To: AliVeritas

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama says America’s greatest moral failure is its insufficient help to the disadvantaged.

Obama noted that the Bible quotes Jesus as saying “whatever you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me.”

He said the maxim should apply to victims of poverty, sexism and racism.


775 posted on 08/16/2008 6:08:07 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Tennessee Nana

Juniper berries, I think.


776 posted on 08/16/2008 6:08:12 PM PDT by Bodhi1 (Homeschools for a reason.)
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To: eeevil conservative

who knows.

Obambi’s crowd was better dressed. Wonder what that means.


777 posted on 08/16/2008 6:08:19 PM PDT by HonestConservative (There certainly must be radio in heaven, or at least a rock band.)
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To: patriotgal1787

You hit it. It’s not only that he doesn’t know himself, but he hates what he doesn’t know.


778 posted on 08/16/2008 6:08:25 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Principalities work through personalities.Commies cast out only by prayer and fasting.)
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To: maica

I woulda asked Obama this question:

“What in the hell is wrong with you? Are you stumping for the care bears?”


779 posted on 08/16/2008 6:08:28 PM PDT by modest proposal (Congress (n). Place where you can be supported in comfort by the state to talk stupid)
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To: eeevil conservative

crowd sounds louder and church website said all 550 members are from the press.


780 posted on 08/16/2008 6:08:51 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ('GOP' : Get Our Petroleum)
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