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TODAY: Rev. Rick Warren puts Obama, McCain on the same stage (LIVE thread)
The Seattle Times ^ | 8/16/08 | Duke Helfand

Posted on 08/16/2008 11:59:35 AM PDT by XR7

LAKE FOREST, Calif. — When John McCain and Barack Obama appear on the same stage today, they will vividly demonstrate the reach that has made the Rev. Rick Warren among the most significant evangelists of his generation.

He's a megastar who leads the nation's fourth-largest church and reaches thousands of ministers through the Internet and crusades against poverty and AIDS. That globe-trotting work and his successful book — "The Purpose-Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?" — puts him at the vanguard of a movement that inspires young, socially conscious Christians.

But his willingness to soft-pedal political issues once central to U.S. evangelicals, such as opposition to abortion, has opened him to criticism that he has strayed from his calling to spread the Gospel.

Today's forum also is a sign of religion's importance in the 2008 presidential campaign, and the emergence of a new style of evangelical leadership on the national stage that is not tied to a single party and has broadened its social agenda beyond that of the religious right.

"This is absolutely a changing of the guard, and it suggests that the new guard of the evangelical movement is able to generate the attention and focus of both parties," said D. Michael Lindsay, a sociologist at Rice University and author of "Faith in the Halls of Power: How Evangelicals Joined the American Elite."

Warren personally invited the two candidates — "friends of mine" — via their cellphones. His event at the Saddleback Church will be broadcast live on CNN and Fox News Channel and streamed on the Web. It has among its aims "helping the church regain credibility and encouraging our society to return to civility," he said.

It's likely that fans and critics will be watching closely...

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


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To: kcvl

He has nothing at all tonight, but his lips are moving!


621 posted on 08/16/2008 5:50:16 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (Stay Away FAY!)
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To: eeevil conservative

Sure Bosnia... I wonder why he agrees.

Ooh orphans. Will he mention Mc’s adopted daughter or same sex adoptions?


622 posted on 08/16/2008 5:50:28 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Principalities work through personalities.Commies cast out only by prayer and fasting.)
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To: jackv

But Darfur was mentioned


623 posted on 08/16/2008 5:50:29 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: tiredoflaundry

America needs to “Build health infrastructure around the world” - with our tax dollars.


624 posted on 08/16/2008 5:50:30 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: patriotgal1787

I think Obama hates himself.

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Baby Butchers have no value of their own existence, and therefore,
no respect for others.


625 posted on 08/16/2008 5:50:32 PM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Obama admits, "I cheated a little bit. I actually looked at this program ahead of time."

BINGO. He had all of the questions.

626 posted on 08/16/2008 5:50:42 PM PDT by They'reGone2000 (And I DON'T want to have to change my name to They'reBack2008!)
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To: KavMan
Obama really sucks without a teleprompter....

He certainly does! And he has the gall to call President Bush dumb and out of touch.

627 posted on 08/16/2008 5:50:47 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl
No, SOME teachers are underpaid. We do not need a higher baseline, we need to pay the ones who are GOOD TEACHERS BETTER and fire the others!

You sure got that right! Problem is, it is next to impossible to fire a teacher. The whole time I worked in the personnel office at a school district office .... never, not once was a teacher fire. Believe me, though there were some that should have been.

628 posted on 08/16/2008 5:50:50 PM PDT by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents, dead people, dogs, felons)
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To: dandelion
He is soooo lame. People have got to be in denial to believe he is competent to be POTUS.
629 posted on 08/16/2008 5:51:08 PM PDT by jackv
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To: dbacks

I think he just admitted he “cheated” and saw the question ahead of time. This is where he’s asked about a govt program to fund adoption.


630 posted on 08/16/2008 5:51:16 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (My spiritual advisor is a lawyer.)
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To: AmericanMade1776

bear witness uh uh uh uh we haven’t been taking care uh uh of our uh uh economy and and ..uh


631 posted on 08/16/2008 5:51:18 PM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: kcvl

Bush is great...

A kiss up to GOP voters


632 posted on 08/16/2008 5:51:19 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: All

NoBama has been coached.. He knew what was going to be asked, he just w/o his teleprompter..


633 posted on 08/16/2008 5:51:30 PM PDT by newnhdad
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To: del4hope
..I know my pastor did not go to school with him at SW or Fuller--I guess he must have done post-grad work a CBC in Riverside.

You are right about Fuller.

634 posted on 08/16/2008 5:51:31 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: They'reGone2000

I heard that, too.


635 posted on 08/16/2008 5:51:34 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (i hate this election.)
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To: Bodhi1

Many of us do adopt orphans. Cut the US bureaucracy. Right now we are treated like criminals in what we have to do to adopt.


636 posted on 08/16/2008 5:51:43 PM PDT by keepitreal ("I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message. . . until I don't.")
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To: AliVeritas

.. he is uhhhh, errr...uhhmmm...

SUCH A FREAKIN IDIOT


637 posted on 08/16/2008 5:52:04 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: eeevil conservative

Hey eeeev

Orange Co. where this is taking place use to be conservative but some yrs. ago they picked up two Dem Mexican sisters For congresspersons.
The place is a mexed bag.


638 posted on 08/16/2008 5:52:06 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: tiredoflaundry

Dear Lord please let McCain be semi likable and coherent tonight. If he can do this he will run away with this “forum”. Obama hasn’t answered a question directly yet.


639 posted on 08/16/2008 5:52:13 PM PDT by toomanygrasshoppers ("In technical terminology, he's a loon")
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To: dandelion

the comments about abortion being “above my pay grade”

Did Obama actually say that ??!!??!!
WOW!


640 posted on 08/16/2008 5:52:22 PM PDT by TheRobb7 (Mutiny at the Convention: The Last, Best Hope for Conservatives in '08)
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