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TODAY: Rev. Rick Warren puts Obama, McCain on the same stage (LIVE thread)
The Seattle Times ^ | 8/16/08 | Duke Helfand

Posted on 08/16/2008 11:59:35 AM PDT by XR7

LAKE FOREST, Calif. — When John McCain and Barack Obama appear on the same stage today, they will vividly demonstrate the reach that has made the Rev. Rick Warren among the most significant evangelists of his generation.

He's a megastar who leads the nation's fourth-largest church and reaches thousands of ministers through the Internet and crusades against poverty and AIDS. That globe-trotting work and his successful book — "The Purpose-Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?" — puts him at the vanguard of a movement that inspires young, socially conscious Christians.

But his willingness to soft-pedal political issues once central to U.S. evangelicals, such as opposition to abortion, has opened him to criticism that he has strayed from his calling to spread the Gospel.

Today's forum also is a sign of religion's importance in the 2008 presidential campaign, and the emergence of a new style of evangelical leadership on the national stage that is not tied to a single party and has broadened its social agenda beyond that of the religious right.

"This is absolutely a changing of the guard, and it suggests that the new guard of the evangelical movement is able to generate the attention and focus of both parties," said D. Michael Lindsay, a sociologist at Rice University and author of "Faith in the Halls of Power: How Evangelicals Joined the American Elite."

Warren personally invited the two candidates — "friends of mine" — via their cellphones. His event at the Saddleback Church will be broadcast live on CNN and Fox News Channel and streamed on the Web. It has among its aims "helping the church regain credibility and encouraging our society to return to civility," he said.

It's likely that fans and critics will be watching closely...

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


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To: jwalsh07
MSNBC: McCain was energetic, passionate and very comfortable...............Obama was thoughtful, intellectual, more deliberate.

barf

1,341 posted on 08/16/2008 7:01:07 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: keepitreal

Campaign Carl loves libs.


1,342 posted on 08/16/2008 7:01:12 PM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To: Califreak

Well, maybe that’s where the focus should be....sending emails to McCain requesting a Duncan Hunter presence in his administration.


1,343 posted on 08/16/2008 7:01:18 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: toomanygrasshoppers; All

I’m just jumping in here trying to catch up...is this the same crowd that was cheering Barry now cheering for McCain?


1,344 posted on 08/16/2008 7:01:22 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: TakeChargeBob

re: Ads with both answering

But Bob... they wouldn’t have the whole context (cough), hence it would be unfair to the O. You knew that.
In fact, it would be downright racist.

Ummm... what race is he again?


1,345 posted on 08/16/2008 7:01:28 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Principalities work through personalities.Commies cast out only by prayer and fasting.)
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To: flyfree
Pat Buchanan just said McC won it "going away"....and Pat is not a McCain fan. He said Obambi was working both sides of issues. Davis Schuster looked like he just swallowed a peck of peeled lemons.

Leni

1,346 posted on 08/16/2008 7:01:39 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Stay Home in Nov & Vote for Obama-ization, More Regulation, Taxation, Litigation and Ginsburgization)
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To: TornadoAlley3
CNN- McCain very direct, Obama nuanced.
1,347 posted on 08/16/2008 7:01:47 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ('GOP' : Get Our Petroleum)
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To: TakeChargeBob

I agree entirely: Obama must be brought down.

Above his pay grade!?!?

I heard FNC will rebroadcast at 11e for those of us that missed it.


1,348 posted on 08/16/2008 7:01:57 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: flyfree
Slamdunk for the cranky old white guy!!!

I became a McCain liker tonight!

No nose holding neccessary after his performance tonight!

1,349 posted on 08/16/2008 7:02:00 PM PDT by top 2 toe red ("Cackling hillary...makes her sound like she is mentally-illary." Jimmy Kimmel. "Uh...she is!" Me)
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To: Guenevere

You prefer BO over McCain?


1,350 posted on 08/16/2008 7:02:05 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: AliVeritas

Obama showed ease??? umm umm umm umm umm whawhawha........no


1,351 posted on 08/16/2008 7:02:24 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (Stay Away FAY!)
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To: HonestConservative; MHGinTN

fingies and toesies crossed

that Mccain will keep this up for the actual debates


1,352 posted on 08/16/2008 7:02:25 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: A_Niceguy_in_CA

Thanks.


1,353 posted on 08/16/2008 7:02:26 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Principalities work through personalities.Commies cast out only by prayer and fasting.)
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To: reasonisfaith

Candy Crowley: ‘stylistic differences’

CNN follow up panel sucks, MSNBC went to another program


1,354 posted on 08/16/2008 7:02:31 PM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: devolve; JDoutrider
[What a GRRREAT! Performance J.M. did tonight!]

He was great, showed the knowledge of experience. No hesitation, immediate good answers, I was impressed. Obama said ‘nothing at all’ in comparison to McCain!!

1,355 posted on 08/16/2008 7:02:32 PM PDT by potlatch ("Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter")
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To: tiredoflaundry
Yeah I thought Carl Cameron was going to blame Barack Obama’s performance on jet lag. Obama got the facts wrong on the abortion rate question.
1,356 posted on 08/16/2008 7:02:40 PM PDT by McGruff (Kick Russia out of the G8, Kick them Now!)
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To: maica

Panel giving both guys high points.

Duh.

Of course the panel has Ann “Barney Frank” Lewis.


1,357 posted on 08/16/2008 7:02:55 PM PDT by HonestConservative (There certainly must be radio in heaven, or at least a rock band.)
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To: icwhatudo
MSNBC saw the same thing we did and...is reporting it that way. There must be a full moon that affected not only McCain but MSNBC talking heads as well.!

Thanks for posting that. I refuse to watch MSNBC.

Sounds like they are going to have to work overtime to spin this into an Obambi victory by tomorrow morning.

1,358 posted on 08/16/2008 7:02:57 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: TornadoAlley3
CNN-Obama took this as a conversation with RW, McCain addressed the public and voters at home
1,359 posted on 08/16/2008 7:03:12 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ('GOP' : Get Our Petroleum)
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To: All

When Obama says a woman has a tough choice to make about abortion it was a typical irresponsible man answer.

Essentially the line goes like this:

“What your are pregnant baby? Its not mine go get an abortion you are on your own. seeeeeeee ya!”

FNC is has the leftists looking to throw enough mud at the conservatives getting pissed off.


1,360 posted on 08/16/2008 7:03:20 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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