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TODAY: Rev. Rick Warren puts Obama, McCain on the same stage (LIVE thread)
The Seattle Times ^ | 8/16/08 | Duke Helfand

Posted on 08/16/2008 11:59:35 AM PDT by XR7

LAKE FOREST, Calif. — When John McCain and Barack Obama appear on the same stage today, they will vividly demonstrate the reach that has made the Rev. Rick Warren among the most significant evangelists of his generation.

He's a megastar who leads the nation's fourth-largest church and reaches thousands of ministers through the Internet and crusades against poverty and AIDS. That globe-trotting work and his successful book — "The Purpose-Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?" — puts him at the vanguard of a movement that inspires young, socially conscious Christians.

But his willingness to soft-pedal political issues once central to U.S. evangelicals, such as opposition to abortion, has opened him to criticism that he has strayed from his calling to spread the Gospel.

Today's forum also is a sign of religion's importance in the 2008 presidential campaign, and the emergence of a new style of evangelical leadership on the national stage that is not tied to a single party and has broadened its social agenda beyond that of the religious right.

"This is absolutely a changing of the guard, and it suggests that the new guard of the evangelical movement is able to generate the attention and focus of both parties," said D. Michael Lindsay, a sociologist at Rice University and author of "Faith in the Halls of Power: How Evangelicals Joined the American Elite."

Warren personally invited the two candidates — "friends of mine" — via their cellphones. His event at the Saddleback Church will be broadcast live on CNN and Fox News Channel and streamed on the Web. It has among its aims "helping the church regain credibility and encouraging our society to return to civility," he said.

It's likely that fans and critics will be watching closely...

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


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To: mainepatsfan
In MCain you see conviction, character, certitude. Obama was being slick trying to make a conservative audience swallow his liberalism.

The Supreme Court Justices answers said it all, and then Mccain added a Babe Ruth performance!

1,221 posted on 08/16/2008 6:49:03 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Tennessee Nana

A friend send me videos of the burning of a beautiful old church in Georgia, as well as the Russians taking over a new military installation a couple months old. Unreal.


1,222 posted on 08/16/2008 6:49:10 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Principalities work through personalities.Commies cast out only by prayer and fasting.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

John has had a longtime association with the president of Georgia.


1,223 posted on 08/16/2008 6:49:14 PM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To: XR7

Obama has his hands full. McCain is all nuts and bolts. Obama is theory. McCain is fully capable of Reganing Obama.

Sit back and watch the fun.


1,224 posted on 08/16/2008 6:49:20 PM PDT by AncientAirs
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To: MHGinTN

It won’t be Hunter because CA is not in play. CA people would go over the cliff for Oprah and Obama.


1,225 posted on 08/16/2008 6:49:22 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Petronski

I’ll admit that I was a bit skeptical of this format, but it seems to me that Pastor Warren is asking much better questions than the news media do, and I think this is better than the debates we have seen so far.


1,226 posted on 08/16/2008 6:49:23 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: mainepatsfan
There is a reason Obambi will not agree to the Town Hall debates...he knows McCain will clean his clock.
I have my issues with McCain but at this point we do not have any other option—we must support him and stay on him to do the right thing.
Obambi really scares the he## out of me.
1,227 posted on 08/16/2008 6:49:30 PM PDT by scott says
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To: Velveeta

As a Duncan gal, I did consider not voting for Pres., or writing in Duncan Hunter.

I’m very glad I was able to see this tonight
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same here....


1,228 posted on 08/16/2008 6:49:31 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

McCain mentioned E-Bay CEO Meg Whitman as one of the three people who wants to listen to.

Do you think she may be the VP choice — successful woman, business leader...


1,229 posted on 08/16/2008 6:49:36 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: AmericanMade1776

Tell me why the use of “my friends” irritates me like nails on a blackboard.


1,230 posted on 08/16/2008 6:49:40 PM PDT by HonestConservative (There certainly must be radio in heaven, or at least a rock band.)
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To: Always Right

> Warrens main issues are global warming and promoting gay rights. This was a dumb forum for McCain to agree to.

McCain has bought into global warming, and with his lib appeasement tendencies he is probably not too far from Barry’s stance on gay rights.

Tweedledee, Tweedledumber.


1,231 posted on 08/16/2008 6:49:40 PM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: TakeChargeBob

Before I get all excited (I recently got a j-o-b dammit), can’t keep up, did I hear Lieberman really is the VP frontrunner about thirty minutes ago?


1,232 posted on 08/16/2008 6:49:49 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Velveeta

My family were die hard Hunterheads too.

If McCain was smart, he would do everything in his power to get him on board as VP.


1,233 posted on 08/16/2008 6:49:51 PM PDT by Califreak (Time to give the empty suits a one way ticket to the cleaners!)
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To: VictoryGal

Make adoption easier. Amen!


1,234 posted on 08/16/2008 6:50:09 PM PDT by keepitreal ("I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message. . . until I don't.")
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To: Tennessee Nana

Obama reminded me of one of those overpriced lawyers who think they can be “briefed” into enough knowledge to fake sincerity.

Too much ivory tower not enough real world. (not to be confused with street)


1,235 posted on 08/16/2008 6:50:20 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Tennessee Nana
He might not know about that Georgia place but he can body surf the Hawaiian waves like a mofo...
1,236 posted on 08/16/2008 6:50:40 PM PDT by newnhdad
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To: rwfromkansas

Actually that is good to hear, it just wasn’t my experience while working in the personnel office for 10 years.


1,237 posted on 08/16/2008 6:50:52 PM PDT by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents, dead people, dogs, felons)
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To: nckerr

Those who said that conservatives would never support him are wrong....I was upset, but we have to live with what we got.

I am starting to like him.

It is natural for conservatives to gradually come back to the GOP; they will not truly abandon the party even being angered at the candidate regardless of how many ticked off Freepers post.


1,238 posted on 08/16/2008 6:51:05 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: txflake

here comes the Mother Theresa story.

americans are getting to know John Mccain!!


1,239 posted on 08/16/2008 6:51:06 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS GEORGIA! SAVE GEORGIA, OUR ALLY, NOW!)
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To: Karliner

That says it all.


1,240 posted on 08/16/2008 6:51:15 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Principalities work through personalities.Commies cast out only by prayer and fasting.)
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