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2-party system: No choice but evil [Alan Keyes essay; Dobson's Choice]
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | 8-11-2008 | Alan Keyes

Posted on 08/10/2008 10:25:54 PM PDT by EternalVigilance

Preface

I remember reading somewhere that societies in decline reach a point where they are so corrupt that attempted remedies only reveal and further aggravate the causes of their demise. Sometimes I'm tempted to believe that the American Republic has passed well beyond this point, that our liberty is gone and cannot be recovered. The essay that follows is evidence that I have not yet succumbed to this temptation.

I have no doubt, however, that we are in the midst of the feverish crisis that marks either the recovery of the Republic, or its dissolution. The great principles of right and justice that gave rise to our constitutional system of democratic self-government are everywhere discarded or under assault. Indeed, things are so far advanced that the issues most involved with the destruction of these principles (such as so called "marriage" for homosexuals) are being debated and decided with no reference at all to their implications for the moral premises of liberty.

We live in revolutionary times, by which I mean times when a form of government will either be restored or overthrown...

*snip*

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


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KEYWORDS: dobson; keyes; mccain; obama
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This long essay is only intended for those to whom liberty and self-government are worth a bit of time for thought.

Dr. Keyes masterfully disects Obama and McCain, and describes Dr. James Dobson's and other leaders' seeming slide into moral relativism.

1 posted on 08/10/2008 10:28:08 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Maximum Scrunch; RKBA Democrat; Ron H.; CounterCounterCulture; outlawcam; Delphinium; Ladycalif; ...

Every Christian in America needs to carefully read and ponder every word of this essay.


2 posted on 08/10/2008 10:30:39 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (God exists. What impact does that fact have on your plans?)
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To: EternalVigilance

BUMP for later reading


3 posted on 08/10/2008 10:40:42 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Thwart the radical homosexual movement - YES on 8!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Alan Keyes Bump for reading tomorrow.


4 posted on 08/10/2008 10:58:24 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: EternalVigilance

My last vote for the lesser evil joined the gang of ten and screwed any chance at real progress on energy in the Senate. (Bob Corker)


5 posted on 08/10/2008 10:58:41 PM PDT by Ingtar (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery. - ejonesie22)
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To: EternalVigilance
"... moral relativism ..."

What do you mean by that term? Specifically in regards to Dr. Dobson?

6 posted on 08/10/2008 11:01:47 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Dr. Keyes is wrong. He is making a critical mistake using moral relativism in his analysis of McCain. I do not know what his goal is. Maybe he believes that helping to elect Obama will strengthen the conservative cause in the long run. I’ve reach the opposite conclusion. We are on the brink of having the opportunity to turn the Supreme Court from one that ushered in the horrid Roe v Wade ruling to one that will vote on the side of life as McCain has. Conservatives like Keyes do not lose because they are wrong or even because they do not compromise their convictions instead they lose because they express them in such a way that the common people who would support them can not understand them. Also their is a tendency to develop a bunker mentality. So that conservatives back themselves into an ever shrinking corner. I am Pro-Life and I don’t consider someone who sees stem cell research differently than I as the same as someone who actively supports abortion on demand and would promote it. McCain values life and I’ll defend him on this issue. He also has voted repeatedly against special rights for homosexuals and other sexual rights classifications and he is on the record even went on Ellen’s (a homosexual) show and declared yet again his support for Marriage as defined only as between a man and a woman.

Keyes should be ashamed of himself for attempting to divide us to satisfy only his intellectual ego. His biggest problem has been that when he is talking he seems to be talking only to himself and God. He has fallen on his sword some many times that he forgets that his sword is not for himself or his allies but for those he wishes to defeat. McCain is not an idealog but he is also a man who makes decisions and stands by them but he also has the strength to change his mind. He did that on immigration, he did that on the tax cuts(though he has a impeccable record as a tax cuter) and he did that on drilling.

If you wish to follow the pied piper who leads you to a place called defeat that places those very individuals who you claim to wish to protect then you do so to your own demise. I will not leave the troops, the unborn, our traditional values, our children’s education, and the well being of our country in the hands of Barack Obama. John McCain will all his faults will not betray America that is something I can not say for those across the aisle because they do it so often.

I am not ashamed of McCain and he is not the best of two evils. He is the better man and Jesus isn’t running(no offense to Barack Obama/Alan Keyes).

Sanatorium supports McCain:
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080421_The_Elephant_in_the_Room__Why_conservatives_should_support_McCain.html

As for those who do not know Sanatorum was a supporter of Romney before that who was hardly a solid Pro-Life candidate.


7 posted on 08/10/2008 11:10:26 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Pray for John McCain.)
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To: Theo; EternalVigilance
"... moral relativism ..." What do you mean by that term? Specifically in regards to Dr. Dobson?

Read the Essay. Dr. Keyes is quite specific, eloquently self explanatory, as always, and needless to say, right as rain.

8 posted on 08/10/2008 11:10:45 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I agree with Dr.Keyes but I do not believe very many conservatives will take his advice.


9 posted on 08/10/2008 11:15:24 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Quick justice for the senseless killing of Marine Lance Cpl. Robert Crutchfield.)
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To: Theo

Because he said that his conscience wouldn’t allow him to support McCain, and now, even though nothing has changed, he’s ready to throw conscience overboard for political expediency.

If that isn’t moral relativism, I don’t know what is.


10 posted on 08/10/2008 11:18:40 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (God exists. What impact does that fact have on your plans?)
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To: Maelstorm
Santorum eh?

Funny, but just a few months ago Rick was telling us how dangerous McCain is.

Former Senator and leading conservative Rick Santorum says a John McCain presidency would be “very, very dangerous for Republicans.”

“It’s amazing to hear what John McCain is trying to convince the voters he is all about. The bottom line is, I served 12 years with him, six years in the Senate as one of the leaders of the Senate, trying to put together the conservative agenda, and almost at every turn, on domestic policy, John McCain was not only against us, but leading the charge on the other side.”

Unfortunately, the former Senator from Pennsylvania now has both feet totally on the McCain slippery slope of moral relativism himself...

11 posted on 08/10/2008 11:25:28 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (God exists. What impact does that fact have on your plans?)
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To: Maelstorm

If you think John McCain, who hates conservatives and conservatism with a purple passion, is going to improve this court you’re self-deceived.

Both McCain and Obama will destroy the republic, given the chance.

Men and women of conscience won’t be bullied, shamed, fear-mongered, or deceived into supporting that.


12 posted on 08/10/2008 11:36:33 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (God exists. What impact does that fact have on your plans?)
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To: EternalVigilance

Go ahead and continue to be deranged in your hatred for McCain. He is not the enemy. Joe Farrah and kooks who sell bogus devices you put on cars that actually make them get worse gas mileage (I think it is telling) might want to put aside their money making schemes for milking the angst of conservatives while managing to sabotage them at the same time for this election season. I will not abandon our troops and our conservative goals because we didn’t like Campaign Finance reform or disagreed over a handful of things. I can live with the 10% of where I disagree with John McCain.

I lived with more reservations about George W Bush. At least now in McCain we have someone who will stand up for America and fight back. Global warming will go no where if we do our job an help win the Senate back. We do not have to wait for conservative candidates to be elected magically as if by the grace of God. We have many out there running and they are at an extreme disadvantage to their extreme liberal counterparts but sour grapes conservatives would rather whine and moan about a third party than spend $5.00 helping to elect conservatives who love this country and understand the founding principles. Well we’ve tried that crap and it got us the Clinton Administration. Never again.
Never Barack Hussein Obama.


13 posted on 08/10/2008 11:45:26 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Pray for John McCain.)
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To: Maelstorm
I am not ashamed of McCain and he is not the best of two evils. He is the better man and Jesus isn’t running(no offense to Barack Obama/Alan Keyes).

I agree. To follow Dr. Keyes advice, one would never vote for any candidate because all fall short of the perfection of Jesus Christ. Every election is the choice between the lesser of two evils. This race is just more obvious than others.

I will hold my nose and vote for John McCain.

14 posted on 08/10/2008 11:50:32 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Maelstorm; EternalVigilance
Dr. Keyes is wrong. He is making a critical mistake using moral relativism in his analysis of McCain. I do not know what his goal is. Maybe he believes that helping to elect Obama will strengthen the conservative cause in the long run. I’ve reach the opposite conclusion.

No, Keyes is right. Principle is only principle if it is unwavering and set in stone. Dr. Keyes' goal is the same as every other Conservative- the preservation of the principles that are the power that preserves us all. We hold these truths to be self-evident.

I’ve reach the opposite conclusion.

Then your position is untenable.

We are on the brink of having the opportunity to turn the Supreme Court from one that ushered in the horrid Roe v Wade ruling to one that will vote on the side of life as McCain has.

McCain has always been on both sides of the Life issue, and is no friend to the Pro-Life movement, or the Pro-Life movement in it's association within the Republican party. He certainly will not usher in a pro-Life court when faced with a Democrat controlled Senate. It is a point he will be happy to compromise on.

McCain values life and I’ll defend him on this issue.

No, he does not.

Keyes should be ashamed of himself for attempting to divide us to satisfy only his intellectual ego.

Keyes has done nothing of the sort. Nor have the Conservatives. They stand on the same ground that they always have. The division is coming from those who wish to make the Conservative Right compromise that which they never have (and never will). Blame the RINOs and the Baker moderates for the division you see.

McCain is not an idealog but he is also a man who makes decisions and stands by them but he also has the strength to change his mind. He did that on immigration, he did that on the tax cuts(though he has a impeccable record as a tax cuter) and he did that on drilling.

He has not changed his mind one bit. He is a traitorous bastard bent on globalism who will feed you the promises you wish to hear. He has already said that if immigration hits his desk he will sign it. His tax cuts are a pipe dream if the amnesty gets signed (which it will), and he is up to his eyeballs with the globull warming idiots, so that pretty well nixes any oil wells too.

He has no honor, so his word is useless.

John McCain will all his faults will not betray America that is something I can not say for those across the aisle because they do it so often.

McCain is across the aisle more than he is with us. He has already betrayed the Conservatives, the Republicans, and those close to him. What makes you think he would not betray America? His support for keeping the border open and salting our electorate with 30-50m newly minted socialist democrats is betrayal enough to show his intent.

15 posted on 08/10/2008 11:53:29 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1

We all have our personal litmus tests for our candidates.

Some won’t vote for a man unless he’s 100% right on every issue they hold. That is one extreme.

Some will vote for anyone with an R by their name, regardless. That’s another extreme.

Myself, I look at which electable candidate would do a better job leading this nation. There is no contest whatsoever. McCain is the obvious choice. I am a patriot. I will do what’s best for my country, without “holding my nose.”

McCain is about 90% where I am politically. That is far and away enough for me.


16 posted on 08/11/2008 12:36:46 AM PDT by Marie2 (Osama & Obama - both have friends who've bombed the Pentagon.)
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To: taxesareforever

Hope not. Keyes advice=President B. Huissen Obama. Thousands of soldiers law bound to follow his orders.


17 posted on 08/11/2008 12:58:13 AM PDT by Impy (Spellcheck hates Obama, you should too.)
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To: Marie2
McCain is about 90% where I am politically. That is far and away enough for me.

For me, the very first litmus test is character, of which McCain is without completely and utterly, so I need go no further. He is not worthy of the office.

Outside of that, if I were to go forward (which I will not), he is no where near me politically, especially in his collusion with the likes of Feingold, Kennedy, and Clinton. One cannot be conservative in the least and find agreement or compromise therein.

I can really find no redeeming feature in him, with the solitary exception of his somewhat reasonable experience in military matters and foreign policy. But his inherently poor character traits, his obsession with globalism, and his compromise with the worst of the Marxists in our government far outweigh that solitary advantage.

Putting one's faith in the faithless, expecting a betrayer not to betray yet again, is a fool's errand.

18 posted on 08/11/2008 12:58:18 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: rabscuttle385

If you find this worthy of a ping out to your list, I’d appreciate it. Thanks.


19 posted on 08/11/2008 1:48:08 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (God exists. What impact does that fact have on your plans?)
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To: Maelstorm
Go ahead and continue to be deranged in your hatred for McCain. He is not the enemy.

Maybe he isn't yours, but he is mine. By his own choice.

After all, I'm a conservative.

20 posted on 08/11/2008 1:50:30 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (God exists. What impact does that fact have on your plans?)
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