Posted on 08/08/2008 9:26:41 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
God
Asked and answered in the paper. You might want to actually read the paper before commenting next time—GGG
Thank you! It certainly gives that verse whole new meaning, doesn’t it!!!!
Another Evo who has no idea what the paper actually says.
==No evolutionary biologist has suggested that vacuum cleaners are animals.
Another Evo who didn’t bother to read the paper.
Not knowing how something works also inspires many to invent scientifically unsupportable theories and then ridicule doubters.
Creationists are almost certainly wrong, but the world needs all ideas to be explored to their fullest before judgements are made.
Creationists are welcome to join in the discussion. But if they are going to try to do science, they have to play by the rules of science. These require that they bring evidence to support their arguments, and that evidence is subject to testing. The problem we see so far is that the evidence they bring gets disproved but the creationists still cling to it as if it supported their case. Irreducible complexity is one example; Behe's case has been disproved, but IC is still pushed as the "magic bullet" that disproves the theory of evolution. The RATE Project is another example; creationists spent over a million dollars to show that the beta decay rate was a variable rather than a constant. They found evidence that supported what science said all along, but they refused to believe their own evidence.
These examples, and many more, are why creation "science" is not treated seriously by real scientists. It is apologetics, not real science.
Agreed. Evolution is almost certainly correct. But, you can speculate infinitely on who or what set the natural laws into motion. Why these laws and not others? Change a law or two and the universe becomes completely chaotic and inhospitable. Have there been other universes with laws that prevent atoms from binding together, for instance?
This speculation is rich territory to mine your personal theory of god.
[Image of Giant's Causeway]
You could have posted a picture of a snowflake or a crystal too, but all of those are not what ID is arguing about. It is not that cells are "orderly" or "clean", but that it is a complex machine that down to the individual molecule does exactly the tasks that are needed and nothing extraneous--compounded by the fact that extraneous functions would likely kill the organism. This is about information and its order-like the difference between randomized bits (or in your case, a repeating pattern of bits) and a well-engineered computer program.
There have possibly been 932,223,452,481,938,323,879,571,698,879 previous universes.
Note also that recent findings are that the tolerances are not quite as tight as we believed previously.
It doesn't mean there's no god...but it means that we can't use it as evidence of a god.
Yep! That’s exactly what went through my mind when I read it.
It’s all right to let creationists cling to their beliefs regardless of testable evidence. The Catholic church did not officially forgive Galilleo for his heresy until 1981. I don’t recall that belated offering stopping space exploration or science in the meantime.
Ok, if you think, and let me make it clear right now I am not a Christian or an ID believer, that you have asked a profound question I.E.: Where did the designer come from? I have one for you. Where did the material that supposedly formed the universe come from? Yes, the big bang theory says all matter was compressed into a very small area and then it exploded, but there the explanation stops. Where did all the dust and debris that compressed into this dime sized spot come from? The explosion didn't create it, it simply spread it out. So tell me in your wisdom, where did it come from? How did it get into space.
Another thing scientist keep alluding to "the Universe" as if the planets and stars were the only thing in the Universe, totally ignoring the space, the totally empty space that the stars, planets, asteroids, comets and meteors hang out in. That is part of the universe. Tell me what it is, where did this vast emptiness come from? And most importantly where did the material that comprises those asteroids, planets, comets, and suns come from?
Saying it exploded in the big bang does not account for its creation, it had to be born so to speak before it could be compressed into a dime sized spot and then explode. Answer this question and then I will happy to listen to evos and creationist, as of now I don't subscribe to either theory.
For example?
“Answer this question and then I will happy to listen to evos and creationist, as of now I don’t subscribe to either theory. “
You pose the issue perfectly. Neither science (at least at our level) nor religion is sufficient to answer all of our questions adequately. But science shows infinitely more promise of eventually doing so.
Picture the board game “Life” (I think that was the one...)
Imagine you have no money. You can get from the bank a $20 and a $20 Promissary Note.
No wealth was “created,” yet you have money and anti-money.
Similarly, could there not have been spontaneous creation of matter and anti-matter?
Fallacy of Equivocation: The sign said "fine for parking here", and since it was fine, I parked there.
In the universe? We've observed speciation here on earth. It's difficult to observe speciation elsewhere in the universe, given technological limitations.
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