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To: agooga
Have there been other universes with laws that prevent atoms from binding together, for instance?

There have possibly been 932,223,452,481,938,323,879,571,698,879 previous universes.

Note also that recent findings are that the tolerances are not quite as tight as we believed previously.

It doesn't mean there's no god...but it means that we can't use it as evidence of a god.

32 posted on 08/08/2008 10:12:01 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
There have possibly been 932,223,452,481,938,323,879,571,698,879 previous universes.

I hope you see the problem with this.

Materialists must posit the existence of quadrillions of randomly appearing Universes in order to allow for the 1 in a quadrillion Universe that can give rise to life.

Deists must only posit the existence of a designer who created time and space.

Neither is a disprovable hypothesis. Similarly no-one can show that there is no God. No-one can show that there aren't quadrillions of random, mutually orthogonal Universes.

The Deist version can at least be proven - if for instance God were to enter His creation. But the materialist version cannot be proven because of the definition of what a Universe is. If you can detect a Universe, you are in it.. So if you detect a remote piece of dark matter in a Brane dimension coiled within an affine space or whatever, it's part of your Universe. The test of an event belonging to another Universe is that you can't detect it.

Any theory of multiple Universes is therefore completely divorced from the Scientific process. It can't be disproved : moreover it can't be proved. A theory that God made the Heavens and the Earth can at least be proved: God only has to make Himself known.

45 posted on 08/08/2008 10:40:30 AM PDT by agere_contra
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