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Stressed banks borrow record amount from Fed[$16 Billion A Day]
Reuters ^ | 31 July 2008 | John Parry

Posted on 08/02/2008 7:20:16 AM PDT by BGHater

Banks borrowed a record amount of funds from the Federal Reserve in the latest week as the year old credit crisis took a persistent toll, while the commercial paper market continued to contract, signaling tough conditions for short term borrowers.

Banks' primary credit borrowings averaged $17.45 billion per day in the latest week, the second straight week this had hit a record and up from $16.38 billion the previous week, Fed data showed on Thursday.

"It shows there's a shortage of liquidity in the system," said Christopher Low, chief economist at FTN Financial in New York.

Secondary credit the Fed extended, which is usually taken out by banks in need of emergency cash, rose to $89 million in the latest week, from $34 million the week before. Although these numbers are still very small compared with primary credit, "What that tells you is that there's an increasing number of banks that the Fed is classifying as 'unsound' or inadequately capitalized," Low said.

Analysts may watch the trend of secondary credit closely, given the travails of U.S. regional and smaller banks and the likelihood that a continued decline in house prices and rise in foreclosures and bad loans will deepen the difficulties of the banking sector for many months or years.

Some analysts ascribed the overall rise in demand to use the Fed's short term discount window borrowing facilities to a mix of factors.

"I am sure there are troubled banks trying to tap the window," said Michael Feroli, U.S. economist with JPMorgan in New York. But he added: "more and more banks are trying to take advantage of the pure economic advantage of borrowing at a cheap rate and you are seeing a gradual fading away of the stigma of using the discount window."

(Excerpt) Read more at biz.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: banking; banks; borrow; credit; economy; fed; govwatch; housingbubble
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To: bvw
It's paper taken in by the Fed that is worthless.

Are they buying it? Or taking it as collateral?

What do YOU mean by "too much money"?

I should ask you that. You seem to be claiming (correct me if I misunderstood) that they're printing too much.

21 posted on 08/02/2008 12:03:26 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Half the time it could seem funny, the other half's just too sad.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Both. When the collateral is worth less than the loan collateral — that’s a buy-in.


22 posted on 08/02/2008 1:53:34 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Toddsterpatriot
BTW Zimbabwe has plenty of liquidity.
23 posted on 08/02/2008 1:55:10 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw

Are you sure about that?


24 posted on 08/02/2008 3:20:21 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62

What do you mean?


25 posted on 08/02/2008 3:30:39 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw

I don’t know, but we both have front row seats.


26 posted on 08/02/2008 3:30:53 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: bvw
My understanding of liquidity is it's a measure of how well money moves through a financial system or economy. From a consumer or business standpoint I may view that as the availability of loans or how well I can raise money from investors. A worker may view it as the availability of jobs and salaries. As a business I may view it as the disposable incomes of customers.

Zimbabwe has had a nearly complete breakdown of its economy and financial systems. I imagine liquidity there isn't very good in spite of the extremely high inflation rate.

27 posted on 08/02/2008 3:40:34 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: bvw
Used to be the King would order more tin or other base metals in the mix -- so the coins would be less gold or silver, or even copper. Nowadays there is no limit to the sovereign's theft by dilution.

You mean a metal based currency doesn't prevent dilution?

28 posted on 08/02/2008 3:43:28 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Reading old magazines and advertising from decades ago banks would list their assets and liabilities, I guess to reassure depositors.


29 posted on 08/02/2008 4:04:26 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Moonman62
Our biggest paper note in circulation is the $100. Theirs is/was the $1,000,000,000. I imagine that one B-note had to travel only between a few hands over a few weeks to match the GDP contribution of one of our major states for a year.

Yes their economy is in breakdown. And all the injected liquidity, the habit of it -- is what brought it down. The government of the nation once known and wealthy as Rhodesia, lost it all by taking on an addictive habit. (Along with other related bad habits -- they band together as a gang of thugs do such habits.)

As Kings debased coin, so did the kingdom externally lose trade, and internally sowed seeds of economic chaos because of mistrust. In a bad money system the bad rise, and the good get tripped up and stranded in their own good ethics.

Me, I never promoted credit cards with signature debt lines to those most unlikely to pay it back. I would consider that unethical. Although it did wonders for US liquidity, didn't it?

30 posted on 08/02/2008 4:17:39 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
When the collateral is worth less than the loan collateral — that’s a buy-in.

And when the loan is paid off, that's a buy-out?

So, back to my original questions....

So they've been diluting (printing) more than usual? How much more? Or is that just your feeling?

31 posted on 08/02/2008 4:21:48 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Half the time it could seem funny, the other half's just too sad.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
You are projecting your own feelings. Me, I am absent of feelings. A total sociopath. Is that what your want? I mean that's what pure cold logic suggests you want? Do you argue with logic a lot, Toddster?

I always argue with logic, myself.

You don't have to print more federal notes to dilute the value of real assets and current wages due. You can just take bad paper and not mark it to market. That also allows the bad to be badder, and out-compete the ethical.

32 posted on 08/02/2008 4:34:46 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
You are projecting your own feelings.

No, I'm asking you to prove your assertions.

Me, I am absent of feelings.

And so far, facts.

You don't have to print more federal notes to dilute the value of real assets and current wages due.

Running from your original claim, that the sovereign is stealing by dilution?

33 posted on 08/02/2008 4:40:00 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Half the time it could seem funny, the other half's just too sad.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
The sovereign is stealing by dilution. Yes, true. Yet in the US of A, WE are the sovereign. It's a more complicated situation -- in other words, tossing the King out is meaningless. We'll still BE the King.

But, nonetheless we can still make ourselves a Zimbabwe even without a single Mugabe.

Where are your facts, man, don't be coy. You have them - put them out there! Don't let your sociopathy get in the way.

You imply you are ready with them, you demand mine -- what are yours?

34 posted on 08/02/2008 4:45:36 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw; Toddsterpatriot
Do you argue with logic a lot, Toddster?

No, Todd doesn't argue with logic. His arguments have no logic.

35 posted on 08/02/2008 5:38:00 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: bvw
The sovereign is stealing by dilution.

Show me.

You imply you are ready with them, you demand mine

You're making the claim, back it up.

36 posted on 08/02/2008 8:06:04 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Half the time it could seem funny, the other half's just too sad.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
How's my fact free Freeper? LOL!
37 posted on 08/02/2008 8:06:33 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Half the time it could seem funny, the other half's just too sad.)
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To: bvw

It is criminal what the PTB are doing to the value of the dollar, and pretending that nothing is wrong. The selling of bundled debt for profit to make themselves rich, at the expense of the foundations of this once free country, make me sick.

So, what ever happened to penny candy? /s


38 posted on 08/02/2008 9:50:28 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
I already did. Taking in bad paper as good is dilutive.

It's like trading a Mickey Mantle Topps card for some forgotten one-season player.

39 posted on 08/03/2008 5:59:38 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Would you want a Toddsterpatriot running YOUR mutual fund?


40 posted on 08/03/2008 6:00:53 AM PDT by bvw
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