Posted on 08/01/2008 7:15:03 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
Didja year about this one? Some maniac with a huge knife beheaded a man on a Greyhound bus in Canada. If you want a description of what happened, you can click here.
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/global-video/index.html?video=2805319
When the attack occurred the other passengers abandoned ship. Hard to blame them. Who wants to rush this maniac with a knife when everyone can get away? I do have a question though. What if someone – just one person on that bus – had a concealed carry permit and was carrying a gun. How would things have been different?
There's a problem though. This is Canada. No guns. No carry permits. No way to save this victim.
Oh well.
Thanks Chris for an outstanding reply. You took the trouble to go through my post detail by detail and took it seriously as a whole.
I made a couple of mistakes, the kind of mistakes that can be the result of being ill-informed.
So again: cheers!
A13.
perp is 40-year-old Vince Weiguang Li, of Edmonton, Alberta
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,395781,00.html
“...to me too....and I expect the name is being withheld for that reason.”
His name has been released. It was withheld simply because he hadn’t been charged yet.
“Dairy Cattle,” actually. Just as bad, though.
It’s a possibility. Equally possible is that the lunatic stands up and shoots five others, too.
Just sayin’.
Sometimes a brief delay is just a brief delay, to paraphrase Freud.
“Shame on you sorryass pacivism, Canada.”
YEP....and from the article:
“Olmstead said the man later use the head to taunt police”
the cops should have shot this guy on the spot...then all sworn that he came at them with the knife....there’s no sense in having an expensive trial for guys like that.
The vast majority of those who carry a concealed weapon are law abiding citizens who are not going to go on a rampage just because they are armed. Does the widespread driving of cars make people go on killing sprees with their cars? I carry concealed to protect myself and my loved ones.
Funny, I have had similar urges while watching Zorro! Guess it is the sword thing.
All deals with movie selection.
Wouldn’t have happened if Nemo was on :-)
Now, where was the bus headed, and it whose neck of the woods the incident happened?
“All school shootings are done in no gun zones”
Good point, and points up the absurdity of having “gun-free zones”. All it does is assure the perp that nobody will likely shoot back. Well, except the occasional CHL holder who chooses protection over conformity. I wish there were more of them.
Colonel, USAFR
I stand corrected. Your reasoning makes sense, and I was ill-informed and thus wrote too soon what I wrote. I already posted two messages with this same content to others who commented to me - I hope I clarified my point of view enough by now.
Cheers, A13.
Do you really prefer the cross-hand draw? I always felt off-balance, so I just use the small of the back holster.
Colonel, USAFR
“Interesting how, when the name has been out since overnight, and had been on this site, upthread, the conspiracy theorists aare still wondering why “It’s being withheld”!
Sometimes a brief delay is just a brief delay, to paraphrase Freud.”
Amazing isn’t it? In some cases, the theorists are demanding within minutes.
In virtually every case where the theorists claim a name is being withheld because it’s a Muslim, the name is in fact released. And it often isn’t Muslim. Usually it was withheld because the person hadn’t been charged, which is in fact the law in some countries. Imagine following the law!!!
Funny, but I feel safer walking next to you in a shopping mall than uncomfortable.
Sadly, concealed carry may be the best alternative to stopping this mindless violence.
These cowards pray on the fears of others and know they can get away with it.
There is no place in the world for behavior like this. Sad that RCMP just didn’t put this “alleged suspect” in the ground!
Now he gets to spend the rest of his life as a celebrity, go figure...sure we will hear more of him in the future :-(
No “Head” deletions here yet. We’re well armed though.
In other cases, the "gun free school zones" led to massacres.
Criminals will find something to kill with...gun, knife, bat...and if people flee, they will kill many more.
In this country, if the citizens were allowed to freely exercise their constitutional rights, you would see a lot less massacres happen, and when they did, they would be a lot less severe.
I place the blame on the terrible massacres right on the heads and hides of liberal politicians and liberal citizens who vote them in, who have disarmed the peace loving public and left them at the mercy of these cretans.
where people are well armed, there is less crime, less massacres, and more dead and wounded criminals as opposed to dead and wounded honest citizens.
I prefer the crossdraw because it allows me access to my pistol anywhere, anytime. I cover it up with a vest that's zipped up a few inches. In the winter, I zip up my coat a few inches. This way I can easily access my pistol while keeping it concealed. Strong side and SOB carry make it harder to access in certain situations, like driving a car or sitting down. As for feeling unbalanced, it's never been an issue with me. A Glock 23 is light enough to be barely felt. My XD-45 is a lot heavier, but I balance it out with two fully loaded 13 round mags on the opposite side.
First of all, guns are hardly the only instrument people use to kill. Cars, bathtubs, and baseball bats, along with knives, are quite effective. Pushing people in front of oncoming trains works well, any carbon monoxide-producing machine works well, and on an on. Second, the vast majority of people who commit violent crimes have a prior history of committing violent crimes and have been put back on the street anyway. A fully armed citzenry can ensure that they don't get to come back yet again, by making sure their next attack is interrupted by their prompt death.
The best way to reduce violent crime is to reduce the population of violent criminals, and make it plain to anyone contemplating becoming a violent criminal that the result of pursuing this course will be premature death -- not imprisonment for a term coupled with the farce of "rehabilitation", or the "death penalty" delivered decades after the crime, with the decades being spent in prison getting hot meals, heat and air conditioning, television, medical care, and "counseling". What we do not need is law-abiding citizens being taxed to pay the cost of housing violent criminals in comfortable prisons.
With the limited information available about this particular case, it sounds like the perp is schizophrenic, and if so, he should have been locked up in a secure mental institution years ago. Same with the mass murderer "student" at Virginia Tech, who had been exhibiting signs of severe mental illness since early childhood, was not doing anything remotely related to "studying" at the university, and yet was allowed to live in a dorm and wander around society freely, using credit cards and bearing an ID that identified him as a "student".
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