Posted on 07/31/2008 11:54:15 AM PDT by Red Badger
The hydrogen gas systems being used by several mid-valley drivers cannot deliver any kind of efficiency, says Bob Paasch, the Boeing professor of mechanical design at Oregon State University.
“The process is a scam,” he said. “It’s wishful thinking. If it were true, every power company and auto company in the world would be using it.”
Paasch said the systems — which use water and baking soda to create hydrogen via an electrical charge from the battery and alternator — violate the second law of thermodynamics and can’t work.
“People who buy into this are wasting their money,” he said.
Paasch has conducted tests on a similar device in the past and found it did not live up to any of the claims made by the inventor, who said it would deliver 50 percent more horsepower and double the gas mileage.
The systems being used are electrolysis, according to Paasch. Hydrogen and water can be burned through this process but more energy is required to drive the cell than can be extracted from it.
Ray Warren of Millersburg and Elden Huntling of Lebanon have the systems installed in their respective gas- and diesel-powered trucks and say they have seen a significant increase in gas mileage.
“These types of systems have been proven to be frauds,” Paasch said. “It’s impossible for the process to produce more energy than it consumes.”
Nonetheless, Huntling and Warren stand by their mileage claims. Warren admitted his mileage dropped significantly after several fill-ups but says he expected it and that a simple adjustment to his computer will correct the problem.
“I stand by the system,” he said.
Huntling has seen no decreases. “All I can say is that I’ve increased the mileage on my diesel truck by 64 percent,” he said. “It runs off excess power from the alternator.”
Paasch says this can’t be.
“The alternator doesn’t produce excess power. The alternator requires more mechanical energy than the hydrogen process can produce.”
Paasch also says the system is potentially unsafe.
“You have a highly flammable gas and the possibility of electric sparks in an enclosed space,” he said. “It’s a very dangerous situation.”
LOL, as a matter of fact...
You take care bud.
"Warren admitted his mileage dropped significantly after several fill-ups..."
(Hunting)" “It runs off excess power from the alternator.”
Stupid statement as their is NO EXCESS POWER from the alternator.
Why is a nuclear bomb 100% efficient and a hydrogen explosion NOT 100% efficient. Both work on the same principle:
E=MC2
You got it all wrong.
We’re talking about the hazards of practical handling, and from that respect, the only other fuels that are even close to being as dangerous as hydrogen are methanol and ethanol.
Static charges that are so small that they are undetectable to instruments can ignite all three of the above. Not so for gasoline.
You need to admit that you don’t understand what is being discussed. A hydrogen explosion has no relation whatsoever to any nuclear reaction.
If you are talking about hydrogen combustion, it is not an E=MC2 reaction. It is a chemical reaction that releases energy breaking/creating molecular, not atomic, bonds.
Whatever. However, you are ducking the question. Please explain why a nuclear reaction is 100% efficient and a hydrogen explosion is not.
But it is.
The mass of the reactants will equal the products.
2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O
There are equal amounts of each element on both sides of the equation.
A nuclear reaction is not the same.
Like I said before, you need to back up your nonsense with a better education. You are way off on both counts. A thermonuclear reaction is atomic in nature and falls under E=MC2. A Hydrogen explosion in normal atmosphere is a thermo-chemical reaction in nature and on a molecular level and is governed under the laws of thermodynamics .
Actually, the masses are different, according the the formula E=MC2.
I must have missed that statment...
Correct.
And the difference in mass is represented by the chemical bonds that are formed when hydrogen burns.
E = M x C2 is only applicable when converting mass to energy. A chemical reaction does not do this. It changes chemical energy as found in the molecular bonds and results in a change in heat.
No, electrons are released or moved in chemical reactions, they are not destroyed or created. There is no change in mass.
Thanks but I covered all this in far greater detail while getting my engineering degree.
What mass do you believe is created or destroyed in the chemical reaction?
“No, electrons are released or moved in chemical reactions, they are not destroyed or created. There is no change in mass.”
Did you read my link?
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