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SMOKE AND (BROKEN) MIRRORS smoking bans ... have led to an increase in drunk-driving fatalities.
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| July 31, 2008
Posted on 07/31/2008 10:27:22 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch
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To: Gabz
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posted on
07/31/2008 10:29:16 AM PDT
by
Diana in Wisconsin
(Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
To: InvisibleChurch
what about people that don’t smoke, and now sit at the bar longer because they aren’t being bothered by the smoke?
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posted on
07/31/2008 10:30:53 AM PDT
by
absolootezer0
( Detroit: we're so bad, even our mayor is a criminal)
To: absolootezer0
what about people that dont smoke, and now sit at the bar longer because they arent being bothered by the smoke? They're far outweighed by those who no longer patronize the bars at all because some nanny-state ninny decided to butt (no pun intended) into an area that was no concern at all of theirs to begin with.
L
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posted on
07/31/2008 10:33:34 AM PDT
by
Lurker
(Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR to get them within throat-cutting range.)
To: InvisibleChurch
Adams says smoking bans should still be supported, because the health benefits still outweigh the health costs. Cotti recommends that smoke-free communities increase DUI enforcement measures to provide drivers with appropriate disincentives.
More Government 'protection', to combat a problem caused by Government 'protection'.
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posted on
07/31/2008 10:34:17 AM PDT
by
bamahead
(Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
To: traviskicks
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posted on
07/31/2008 10:34:33 AM PDT
by
bamahead
(Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
To: absolootezer0
How about if we Blame the the actual Drunk Drivers that get behind the wheel and kill?
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posted on
07/31/2008 10:34:55 AM PDT
by
trumandogz
("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
To: InvisibleChurch
You have to follow this through to the logical conclusion: that smoking causes drunk driving fatalities.
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posted on
07/31/2008 10:36:14 AM PDT
by
wmichgrad
("The only difference between what Senator Kennedy said & a bag of excrement is the bag" Rush 3/2/05)
To: bamahead
Adams says smoking bans should still be supported, because the health benefits still outweigh the health costs. Only a gov't bureaucrat could look at a direct correlation that has extreme negative consquences, and say "Yup, I'm still right."
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posted on
07/31/2008 10:37:25 AM PDT
by
wbill
To: trumandogz
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posted on
07/31/2008 10:39:01 AM PDT
by
Wolfie
To: InvisibleChurch; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; ..
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posted on
07/31/2008 10:39:12 AM PDT
by
Gabz
(You said WHAT?????????)
To: wmichgrad
You have to follow this through to the logical conclusion: that smoking causes drunk driving fatalities. That appears to be exactly what the author of the study is saying.
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posted on
07/31/2008 10:39:52 AM PDT
by
trumandogz
("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
To: trumandogz
or how about we blame the idiot judges that let multiple offenders back on the street?
and the idiots that keep lowering BAC limits to net more DUIs and gain more profits from fines, just to let the people back out the next day?
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posted on
07/31/2008 10:41:25 AM PDT
by
absolootezer0
( Detroit: we're so bad, even our mayor is a criminal)
To: trumandogz
How about if we Blame the the actual Drunk Drivers that get behind the wheel and kill?
The laws were about manipulating people into changing behavior and the backfired. Sure, blame the drunk drivers. They are mostly at fault. That does not solve the problem though.
If you put a lot of people out of work and crime goes up you can either just dismiss it as the fault of those doing the crime or you can look at the root of the trend and try to solve things long term.
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posted on
07/31/2008 10:42:29 AM PDT
by
TalonDJ
To: InvisibleChurch
Land of the free... my a$$. Property owners should be the ONLY people making decisions about what legal substances are used on their premises. Non-smokers (of which I am one), should find alternate places to spend their money if they feel their lives are endangered by smoke.
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posted on
07/31/2008 10:44:37 AM PDT
by
Liberty 275
(Do. Not. Want. Barack. Obama.)
To: TalonDJ
Sure, blame the drunk drivers. They are mostly at fault. The Drunk Drivers are 100% at Fault.
Unless you are a Nanny State Advocate and then you can excuse the Drunk Driver.
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posted on
07/31/2008 10:46:39 AM PDT
by
trumandogz
("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
To: Gabz
To: wmichgrad
Au contraire. The obvious conclusion would be that smoking bans cause d d fatalities. But as for logic, well that never enters into these things.
To: trumandogz
You are correct that the drunken drivers are 100% to blame.
However, let me play devil's advocate for just a second.
When they lower the limit to .03, it means you better not use mouthwash. You could be legally drunk.
In another look at it, people can no longer walk to the neighborhood bar to enjoy a drink and a smoke. This doesn't excuse them getting drunk and driving, but what used to be a skinned knee and a bump on the head for the walker is now a major traffic incident.
Unintended consequences of bad laws.
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posted on
07/31/2008 10:53:24 AM PDT
by
Just another Joe
(Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
To: Just another Joe
If I were King of the World the BAC limit would be raised to .12 and punishment would be graduated upwards depending on BAC.
Thus a person with .12 would get a ticket and a person with .20 would do time in the slammer.
But blaming smoking bans for an increase in DWI deaths in nuts.
What next, are we going to blame developers who build houses way out in the suburbs? After all, if I live way out in the suburbs I have to drive 30 miles to get home after a night of drinking. If I live in town, I can just walk a few blocks.
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posted on
07/31/2008 11:00:06 AM PDT
by
trumandogz
("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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