Posted on 07/23/2008 7:13:37 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
Radovan Karadzic is accused of the most heinous crimes against humanity, from the siege of Sarajevo to the Srebrenica massacre.
He is charged with having the blood of 20,000 lives on his hands and of bringing an entire country down by ethnic hatred.
Today relatives of the thousands of victims said they had been waiting for this moment of justice for 13 years.
After ~18 years of Balkan wars what do the Muslims have?
They have a Muslim Kosovo for a Europeans drug dealing base. Base for other Europe-wide criminality too
They have a Muslim Bosnia
18 years ago they had neither. How exactly did your Muslims come out short on all this?
I guarantee you Muslim don't care about 3,000 Muslims dying since in the wider context they got Kosovo and Bosnia. They'll call the 3,000 martyrs and happily move on
This Catholic German animus against Orthodox Serbs is centuries old
Well, we'll have to part ways on that. I trust the American soldier, not Slobodan Milosevic.
And Germany is the prime NATO & EU power
The USA is the prime NATO power.
This Catholic German animus against Orthodox Serbs is centuries old.
Germans are as Lutheran as they are Catholic, and the German government - headquartered in the capital of Lutheran Prussia - is the heir of the Lutheran state of Bismarck, not the Catholic state of Metternich.
Austria has no appreciable influence on NATO's councils.
And, in plain reality, about 10% of Serbs are practicing Orthodox Christians and maybe 15% of Germans of practicing Catholics.
This doesn't have much to do with either Germany or religion. It has to do with the USA and UK's view of regional stability and the fact that Serbian nationalism is a useful chesspiece for a belligerent neo-Soviet Russia.
The second picture is aggressively photoshopped.
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The first one, copied into powerpoint and viewed at 400% would suggest it has also been photoshopped. The hair against the sky just doesn’t look right.
Exactly. Milosevic used Republika Srpska as a proxy. He even used thugs and paramilitaries from there to intimidate and beat the opposition in Serbia proper, because he had a tough time getting local police to do his dirty work.
No matter what you say Germany has always allied with the Catholic Croats against the Serbs. Check out the WW2 record, ever hear of the Arrow Cross? This rotten attitude extended into supporting Muslim efforts against the Serbs in WW2 and in more recent Balkan wars
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Muslims are a plurality in Bosnia, but Christians are a slim majority. In any event, the large majority of people in the former Yugoslavia are only nominally religious, if that.
Bosnia, Albania and Kosovo have been pretty immune to the Wahhabi attempts to supplant the native version of Islam with what is, to them, an alien take on their religion.
I guarantee you Muslim don't care about 3,000 Muslims dying since in the wider context they got Kosovo and Bosnia.
The Bosnians who lost relatives very much care about these deaths. Bosnians are Europeans, not middle-easterners.
German speakers were a minority of the Austro-Hungarian Empire from its inception until its demise.
The geopolitical goal of Austria-Hungary was to control the Balkans and the Adriatic, for obvious strategic reasons.
The Kingdom of Serbia was the only real opposition to this strategic goal and therefore the natural enemy of Austria-Hungary.
It was not a matter of religion, but a matter of geography.
Germany was a supporter of Serbia during the height of the struggle between Prussian Germany and the Austro-Hungarian Empire - when the Germans made their peace with Austria-Hungary and turned their animus toward France and Denmark instead, only then did they begin to support Austria-Hungary's policy in the Balkans.
I don’t know much about , but there’s little question in my mind that genocide was carried out at some level by both sides. In fact genocide doesn’t even require murder, the cleansing of Prejidor (Muslims and Catholics) would qualify irrespective of the fate of those cleansed.
Why are we discussing Hungary in the context of Croatia?
I hold to what I said and ten minutes ago I read that Muslims are 58% of Bosnia
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Islam in Bosnia and Herzegovina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaAccording to the UN Development Programme’s Human Development Report 2002, Muslims constitute 58 percent of the population of Bosnia and Herzegovina, ...
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90 should be I don’t know much about Trnopolje...
CIA World Factbook lists it as: Muslim 40%, Orthodox 31%, Roman Catholic 15%, other 14%
If he murdered 3,000 as you suggest, he should be brought to justice, the alternative being adopting jihadist values.
My mistake. Arrow Cross was Hungarian. Austria-Hungary (Catholic) was anti Serb (Orthodox) in the WW1 era and before
Let me know when the eternal Jihad of Muhammad is brought to justice. Until then I don’t care about Ratso.
Jihad is a world wide menace while Ratso was strictly local. Jihad=Clash of civilizations. Ratso is a sideshow distraction. If only Euros cared about eternal Jihad as much as they care about Ratso and other Serb villains
There were several million Orthodox Christians living in Austria-Hungary, and plenty of them served in the armed forces.
As I explained, this was not a religious matter. Austria-Hungary also went to war alongside Lutheran Germany against Catholic Italy and Catholic France and allied itself with Orthodox Russia against Lutheran Germany.
The issue is that Serbia stood between Austria-Hungary and full access to the Mediterranean. Look at the map of Europe: Austria-Hungary's western rival - Catholic Italy - controlled the northern and western Adriatic. Austria-Hungary - through Slovenia and Croatia - had access to the eastern Adriatic, but Serbia - through its ally Montenegro - controlled one half of the Strait of Otranto and Italy the other half.
The Strait controls access to the Mediterranean.
In order to become a reputable naval power with unfettered access to the Mediterranean, Austria-Hungary needed Montenegro and the path to Montenegro was blocked by Serbia, Montenegro's partner.
Serbia was the only barrier between Austria-Hungary and world-class naval power.
Franz Joseph did not care whether the people blocking his access to the Mediterranean were Orthodox or whether they were his own grandmother.
No, I expect that Freepers provide factual evidence to support their views and not to post half-truths and full blown lies to support their wild claims.
Especial wild claims in support of Islamofascism and Nazi revisionism.
It is irrelevant what I think, the only relevant are the facts. And the facts are different than you misrepresent them here.
The facts are establised by the World Court. - Yugoslavia (i.e. Serbia) was not commanding Bosnian Serbs, as you claim, nor Republica Srpska was Serbia's puppet goverment "following Belgrade's orders. Idiots in fake Hague court tried to prove what you claimed and could not prove it, no matter how much they tried to twist the facts.
True, I was not born yesterday. That's why I can expose you here.
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