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Why McCain Must Win
canadafreepress.com ^ | 07/19/08 | Bruce Walker

Posted on 07/19/2008 6:29:13 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3

President McCain in 2000 I must be one of the few conservative writers in cyberspace who never feared a McCain presidency. When Senator McCain looked like he might win the Republican nomination in 2000, I asked what, exactly, my friends were so worried about. McCain was honest, like Bush, while Clinton and Gore were steeped in moral slipperiness. McCain was pro-life, like Bush, while Clinton and Gore were pro-abortion. McCain, like Bush, supported a strong military, while Clinton famously “loathed” the military and Gore followed him like a trained poodle. McCain’s ACU (American Conservative Union) voting record is conservative and was even more conservative in 2000. Who did I favor for the nomination in 2000? Bush, because I liked him more and I thought he would win, but was I afraid of a McCain presidency? No, I was afraid that the nation could not survive a third Clinton term. Has anything happened in the last eight years to change my mind? Not, not really. September 11, 2001 has driven all politics since then, even energy (remember how recently gasoline was cheap?) and while I can conceive of McCain handling the war on terror differently, in some ways, than Bush, I cannot see either man being particularly better than the other. Although we are sometimes loath to admit it, McCain appeared more prescience than Bush on Iraq: McCain supported the Surge, asked for the Surge when Bush was reluctant, and McCain was dead right. The Left would have vilified President McCain just as it vilified President Bush and for the same reasons: It wants America to lose all its wars.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; conservatives; democrats; demotivation; despair; election; electionpresident; fear; foreignpolicy; issues; mccain; mccaindemocrat; mccainlist; mccaintruthfile; obama; obamacans; obamacons; rino; rinoalert; rinomadness; war; zombierino
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To: FreeReign

When you’re on Pluto the distance between the earth and the moon is a tiny point. When you’re on the earth the distance between the earth and moon is an unbridgable chasm. So in other words someone has to be pretty far removed to see Obama and McCain as close. I don’t see it.


141 posted on 07/19/2008 9:03:47 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: Norman Bates
When you’re on Pluto the distance between the earth and the moon is a tiny point. When you’re on the earth the distance between the earth and moon is an unbridgable chasm. So in other words someone has to be pretty far removed to see Obama and McCain as close. I don’t see it.

Removed from reality, yes.

142 posted on 07/19/2008 9:07:00 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: TornadoAlley3

Good points in this piece.

Obama is not someone who will benefit the country as president, especially because he would be encouraged and allowed to implement every liberal policy the left could dream up, and there would be nobody to stop him.


143 posted on 07/19/2008 9:08:53 PM PDT by unsycophant
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To: FocusNexus
However noble their intentions, conservatives who do not vote for John McCain will be morally complicit in what happens to America during an Obama presidency.”

Bullshiite!

McManiac doesn't want us, nor does he think he needs us, anyway. Why do you think he's pandering to the left? Why do think his staff has had 5 meetings with the hildebeat's staff in the last two months?

We did not choose McManiac. He was chosen by the Dem's through their surrogates, and I refuse to vote for someone who won't even give Conservatives a promise to adhere to Conservative principles, or a Conservative Veep.

YOU are morally complicit by NOT insisting that he represent US.

What are you guys so afraid of if you think he's just peaches and cream? You can win without us naysayers. Just rally all of your disaffected lefty buddies, and all the RINO's who will vote for anything with an R next to the name.


144 posted on 07/19/2008 9:09:13 PM PDT by papasmurf
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To: FocusNexus
Wow...that didn't take long! Here is a graphic to help you understand the true depth of what we're about to experience as a nation, no matter which disgusting leftist (DNC or RNC) wins the Presidency -

Screwed in 08!

Blah...blah...blah..."Nobody, who will be complicit in this, by voting third party or not voting, has the right to call themselves a conservative."

I AM impressed! I bow to your ultimate authority as the ONE who defines all that is CONSERVATIVE to include RIGHTS and will now scurry off to my little dark corner to hide from your GREATNESS now that you've exposed me for what I am!; me and the REST of the former core support base of the GOP! It's a VERY crowded corner by the way!

Is it not painfully obvious just quite yet that the GOP has been abandoned? ...or is it that you're just not quite ready to deal with it yet? No. Don't answer that question. I really don't want an answer, but I do want for you to THINK about it. Can you muster that?...that being rational thought for a few milliseconds? I know it's a LONG time to think rationally, but try it, just this once! If not, don't sweat it. Just continue taking part in the GOPs herding experiment and they'll tell you what to do, and how to vote and eventually how to many more things that are an abberation to free men. But by that time, you won't be a free man and it won't bother you...much. Just do it, and go on believing that it's BEST that way. Try not to think about people like me. In fact, just don't you let us bother you at all. :-)


145 posted on 07/19/2008 9:10:29 PM PDT by hiredhand
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To: TitansAFC; meandog; onyx; MARTIAL MONK; GulfBreeze; Kuksool; freespirited; Salvation; furquhart; ...
The McCain List.

Courtesy ping

146 posted on 07/19/2008 9:10:57 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Ah yes! Fire for effect! :-)


147 posted on 07/19/2008 9:11:38 PM PDT by hiredhand
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To: papasmurf

“Why do you think he’s pandering to the left?”

You really aren’t paying attention to this campaign. Drilling for oil, smacking Obama over the surge, pushing for nuclear, and the likes, are hardly pandering to the left. McCain has even backed off of mentioning cap and trade any longer.


148 posted on 07/19/2008 9:13:15 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: Norman Bates
Yeah and it was 80% in 2007.

But he didn't turn up for 60% of the conservative bills that ACU was counting.

Dang those pesky little details!

149 posted on 07/19/2008 9:13:25 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: CaspersGh0sts
And somehow, I’m supposed to believe he’s an America-hating liberal?

The facts hurt. There is a tremendous amount of people here on Free Republic that think they're conservative, but have no idea what that means.

You can not be a conservative if:
1)You support labor unions.

2)You believe that the government should step into any aspects of business (this includes oil, or anti-trust cases, etc).

3)You think oil companies are evil.

4)You think investors are evil.

5)You think that a few bad apples or even a gaggle of bad apples can affect the overall economic markets to a large extent.

6)You think we need public education, the HUD, or any of the arrays of government social programs.

7)You think one level of income earners should be taxed differently than another.

8)You think the government should bail out people for making stupid decisions (people that live in flood plains or say get stupid mortgages)

Anyone that would consider a non-conservative does not garner my respect either.

So in that, I guess we are in agreement...
150 posted on 07/19/2008 9:13:52 PM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: Cyber Liberty

GREAT gif! LOL.


151 posted on 07/19/2008 9:17:14 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: TornadoAlley3

McCain WILL win! We just have to get the word out.


152 posted on 07/19/2008 9:17:37 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: FocusNexus; Eagle Eye; Cyber Liberty; All
If you are not supporting McCain you ARE helping Obama.

Then, it is impossible for anyone to be conservative in America, and it is impossible for anyone not to be in favor of Big Government micromanaging our lives.

If this is true, then we are no longer free citizens but subjects and serfs; then we are no longer governed but ruled. If what you say is true, then the reality is that the greatest experiment in liberty and individual freedom is no more.

You can’t wish away reality.

I am reminded of a scene from C.S. Lewis' Narnia tale The Silver Chair in which the evil witch used magic in an attempt to enchant Jill, Eustace, Prince Rilian, and the marsh-wiggle Puddleglum into believing the lie that there was no Sun, no moon, no Narnia, no lions, and no Aslan. After stomping on the witch's enchanted fire, and in pain, Puddleglum said:

"One word, Ma'am. One word. All you've been saying is quite right, I shouldn't wonder. I'm a chap who always liked to know the worst and then put the best face I can on it. So I won't deny any of what you said. But there's one thing more to be said, even so. Suppose we have only dreamed, or made up, all those things - trees and grass and sun and moon and stars and Aslan himself. Suppose we have. Then all I can say is that, in that case, the made-up things seem a good deal more important than the real ones. Suppose this black pit of a kingdom of yours is the only world. Well, it strikes me as a pretty poor one. And that's a funny thing, when you come to think of it. We're just babies making up a game, if you're right. But four babies playing a game can make a play-world which licks your real world hollow. That's why I'm going to stand by the play-world. I'm on Aslan's side even if there isn't any Aslan to lead it. I'm going to live as like a Narnian as I can even if there isn't any Narnia."

Maybe you're right, and we must choose between two liberals. Maybe you're right, and we are completely screwed. Maybe things like the Constitution and conservatism and individual freedom and liberty are all just made up. But you know, the reality you present to us is pretty crappy. What we stand for beats the defeatism and pessimism you spew at us. And that's why we choose to believe in freedom and liberty and choice, no matter what you say. We are on the side of a conservatism even if there isn't anyone around to lead it. We are going to live like conservatives even if conservatism is just made up bunk.

To hell with McCain, to hell with Obama, to hell with your pathetic "reality." There will be morning in America so long as there are good and honest Americans who believe in individual freedom and liberty.

153 posted on 07/19/2008 9:18:15 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." Ronald Reagan)
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To: calcowgirl

Funny, that wasn’t the way the ACU looked at it. So tell me who is a better arbiter of the ACU standard of grading - you or them?


154 posted on 07/19/2008 9:19:03 PM PDT by Norman Bates (Freepmail me to be part of the McCain List!)
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To: hiredhand

Explain to me how it is consistent with “pure conservative principles” to turn over the country, all three branches of the government: presidency, congress and the courts, to the far left Democrats.


155 posted on 07/19/2008 9:24:15 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Norman Bates; papasmurf
Drilling for oil, smacking Obama over the surge, pushing for nuclear, and the likes, are hardly pandering to the left.

You're right. It's not pandering to the left. It's pandering to the right.

McCain has no principles. He will go for anything if it will get him votes...and that makes him extremely dangerous, because he will dump you once you are no longer useful.

156 posted on 07/19/2008 9:24:31 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." Ronald Reagan)
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To: rabscuttle385
We are on the side of a conservatism even if there isn't anyone around to lead it. We are going to live like conservatives even if conservatism is just made up bunk.

Well said! I've been trying to formulate something like that for MONTHS!
157 posted on 07/19/2008 9:24:49 PM PDT by hiredhand
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To: FocusNexus; hiredhand
Explain to me how it is consistent with “pure conservative principles” to turn over the country, all three branches of the government: presidency, congress and the courts, to the far left Democrats.

Well, let's see. In your reality, we can either turn the government over to far left Democrats or far left Republicans. Either way, the consequences will be as bad as handing the keys to a shiny new Maserati, a box of condoms, your credit card, and the key to the liquor cabinet to an eighteen-year-old boy.

158 posted on 07/19/2008 9:26:26 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." Ronald Reagan)
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To: hiredhand
Well said! I've been trying to formulate something like that for MONTHS!

This is what I get for reading books.

Jefferson (my hero) and the other Founders were right. An educated (not brainwashed or simply potty-trained) people are exceptionally dangerous to the powers that be, and an educated and heavily armed people are even more so.

159 posted on 07/19/2008 9:28:30 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Norman Bates
Should be simple enough, Norman. Did he actually vote on all the bills the ACU used for analysis? In my book, a "no vote" is the same as a "wrong" vote, and should be counted against him as if he had voted incorrectly. I'm a constituent of McQueeg's so I follow his voting with a keen interest. He's not voting in the Senate anymore.

He even missed the FISA vote that Obambi got into heat with the lefties about!

How can you rate the voting record of somebody who doesn't vote and call yourself an honest statistician?

160 posted on 07/19/2008 9:29:14 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Who would McQueeg rather have mad at him: You or the liberals?)
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