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Just the facts: LA law protects teachers who bring scientific evidence against Darwinism. . .
WORLD ^ | July 12, 2008 | Mark Bergin

Posted on 07/11/2008 8:06:50 AM PDT by rhema

A bill protecting the critical analysis of evolution by Louisiana public school teachers outraged committed Darwinists last month when it cruised through both houses of the state legislature with overwhelming bipartisan support. Not a single state senator voted against the Science Education Act and just three of 97 state representatives opposed it—this despite strong public relations campaigns condemning the legislation from several high-profile organizations and individuals.

In the wake of that crushing defeat, the rhetoric of the bill's opponents morphed into threats of costly lawsuits. The Louisiana Coalition for Science called the development an "embarrassment" and warned that it would attract "unflattering national attention." Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said, "Louisiana taxpayers should not have their money squandered on this losing effort." Marjorie Esman, director of the local ACLU chapter, reminded supporters: "We're known for suing school boards."

What's all the fuss about? The Louisiana Science Education Act, which mirrors legislation receiving serious consideration in a handful of other states, protects the right of teachers and administrators "to create and foster an environment within public elementary and secondary schools that promotes critical thinking skills, logical analysis, and open and objective discussion of scientific theories being studied including, but not limited to, evolution, the origins of life, global warming, and human cloning."

In other words, the bill supports a more thorough examination of controversial topics, complete with scientific explanations as to why such areas of study spark controversy. Anticipating suspicions of ulterior motives, the legislation also includes a proscription against its misuse "to promote any religious doctrine, promote discrimination for or against a particular set of religious beliefs, or promote discrimination for or against religion or nonreligion."

Nevertheless, a New York Times editorial labeled the bill an "assault on Darwin" and compared it to the Louisiana legislature's effort to force biblical creationism into public classrooms in the 1980s. Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy at Southeastern Louisiana University and a founding member of the Louisiana Coalition for Science, called the legislation "a creationist bill written in creationist code language."

When WORLD reached Forrest by phone, she declined to comment. She stated in a press release that the bill's authors are creationists "using the same old tricks, but with new labels."

Darwinists have long sought to dismiss intelligent design (ID), an alternate theory of origins, as repackaged creationism. That strategy proved successful in a landmark court decision against a Dover, Pa., school board in 2005, when a federal judge declared ID inherently religious and its inclusion in the classroom therefore unconstitutional. But categorically dismissing critical analysis of evolution as equally unconstitutional is a far tougher sell—no doubt explaining why numerous states with critical analysis of Darwinism in their official science standards have yet to face legal challenge.

John West of the Discovery Institute, which advocates teaching the evidence for and against Darwinism, says the Louisiana Science Education Act and other similar bills stand on firmer legal ground than the unchallenged proscriptions for critical analysis in several states' science standards: "This bill does nothing to help a teacher promote religion in the classroom," he said. "Why is it unconstitutional for a teacher to point out that mutations are almost always harmful and in just a few cases neutral, which poses a huge problem if you believe all the major innovations in life were driven by a blind process of natural selection and random mutations? That answer is, it's not unconstitutional."

Some Darwinists recognize that. In a column for the American Chronicle, self-described atheist Jason Streitfeld urges support for the bill, which he says promotes "exactly what American students need: encouragement to think critically about controversial topics." Streitfeld further argues that "by reacting negatively to this bill, atheists and supporters of Darwinian evolutionary theory are proving their opponents right: they are acting like reason and the facts are not on their side."

West says the propensity of Darwinists to threaten lawsuits and scare teachers or districts out of critically analyzing evolution stems from an unwillingness to engage on scientific merits and betrays their vulnerability. The Science Education Act, which Democratic Sen. Ben Nevers originally proposed under the title Academic Freedom Act, signals teachers and districts that the state will back them should they choose to undertake a more thorough handling of controversial topics.

Opinion polls show large public majorities in many states favor teaching the evidence for and against Darwinism. Among science teachers, that support dips but remains significant enough to suggest the Louisiana Science Education Act and other bills like it will have a considerable impact on how students encounter evolution.

ACLU director Esman admits that if the law "works as it should, it shouldn't be a problem." But she worries that it may leave room "for things to get sneaked into the classroom that shouldn't be there." That suspicion is shared among many of the bill's detractors, who point out the religious motivation of such supportive groups as the Louisiana Family Forum, an evangelical organization with strong ties to Focus on the Family and the Family Research Council.

But supporters counter that many of the bill's opponents maintain strong atheistic commitments, a correlation given far less publicity or credence in major media reporting. Indeed, much of the public campaigning and calls to arms against the legislation played out on evolutionary biologist and popular science author Richard Dawkins' pro-atheist website. West contends that all such religious motivations for passing new laws are irrelevant in assessing the legality and value of the policy: "Should we repeal all the civil rights laws because lots of American Christians supported them? That's a preposterous argument. The most important thing is what the law actually says."

Letter of the law: Key elements of the Louisiana Science Education Act

Requires the state board of education to support the wishes of a local school board if it requests assistance in helping teachers and administrators promote critical analysis and open scientific discussion of theories related to evolution, origins of life, global warming, and human cloning.

Requires that such assistance from the state board include guidance for teachers in developing effective methods to help students analyze and critique scientific theories.

Requires that a teacher first present material in the school system's standard textbook before bringing in additional resources for further analysis and scientific critique.

Prohibits any promotion of religious doctrine or discrimination for or against religious beliefs, religion, or nonreligion.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: crevo; education; evolution
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To: liberallarry; polymuser

“It seems to me that the regulative idea that we heirs of the Enlightenment, we Socratists, most frequently use to criticize the conduct of various conversational partners is that of ‘needing education in order to outgrow their primitive fear, hatreds, and superstitions’ . . . It is a concept which I, like most Americans who teach humanities or social science in colleges and universities, invoke when we try to arrange things so that students who enter as bigoted, homophobic, religious fundamentalists will leave college with views more like our own . . . The fundamentalist parents of our fundamentalist students think that the entire ‘American liberal establishment’ is engaged in a conspiracy. The parents have a point. Their point is that we liberal teachers no more feel in a symmetrical communication situation when we talk with bigots than do kindergarten teachers talking with their students . . . When we American college teachers encounter religious fundamentalists, we do not consider the possibility of reformulating our own practices of justification so as to give more weight to the authority of the Christian scriptures. Instead, we do our best to convince these students of the benefits of secularization. We assign first-person accounts of growing up homosexual to our homophobic students for the same reasons that German schoolteachers in the postwar period assigned The Diary of Anne Frank. . . You have to be educated in order to be . . . a participant in our conversation . . . So we are going to go right on trying to discredit you in the eyes of your children, trying to strip your fundamentalist religious community of dignity, trying to make your views seem silly rather than discussable. We are not so inclusivist as to tolerate intolerance such as yours . . . I don’t see anything herrschaftsfrei [domination free] about my handling of my fundamentalist students. Rather, I think those students are lucky to find themselves under the benevolent Herrschaft [domination] of people like me, and to have escaped the grip of their frightening, vicious, dangerous parents . . . I am just as provincial and contextualist as the Nazi teachers who made their students read Der Stürmer; the only difference is that I serve a better cause.”

-‘Universality and Truth,’ in Robert B. Brandom (ed.), Rorty and his Critics (Oxford: Blackwell, 2000), pp. 21-2.


61 posted on 07/11/2008 9:28:27 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: polymuser

If you’re a liberal, yes, that IS the proper role of a government agency.


62 posted on 07/11/2008 9:29:18 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: scottdeus12
Do the men in black robes know more than you, the common folk? About the law, you bet. Do scientists know more about science than nose-pickers? Of course. Doctors about medicine? Yes.

In fact, common folk don't know much about anything. That's why their called common folk.

63 posted on 07/11/2008 9:29:57 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
You really teach science in the public schools? Frightening.

Where'd you hatch that one from?

64 posted on 07/11/2008 9:30:44 AM PDT by polymuser (Those who believe in something eventually prevail over those who believe in nothing.)
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To: liberallarry

Ah, there it is! Thanks!


65 posted on 07/11/2008 9:32:14 AM PDT by polymuser (Those who believe in something eventually prevail over those who believe in nothing.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Shouldn't the expectation be that they bring evidence for creationism [not just against evolution]?... The goal should be demonstrating your theory is correct based on evidence and let it stand on that.

I respectfully disagree. Strong evidence against evolution (such as an anachronistic fossil, an anomalous genome or a chimera that violated the "tree of life" scheme) would be a tremendously important discovery, whether or not anyone had a coherent alternative theory to explain it. And besides, as I'm sure you realize, there can be no such thing as evidence for a "theory" that makes no predictions.
66 posted on 07/11/2008 9:33:16 AM PDT by xenophiles
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To: MrB
Rather, I think those students are lucky to find themselves under the benevolent Herrschaft [domination] of people like me...

There it is.

67 posted on 07/11/2008 9:36:25 AM PDT by polymuser (Those who believe in something eventually prevail over those who believe in nothing.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Riiiiight. I'll see the strawmen which evolutionists like to build. If creationism is so easy to debunk, then why are you afraid of this LA school law?

Because it is based on the lie that intelligent design is science. It is designed to destroy the theory of evolution and replace it with fundamentalism.

Answer - deep down inside your beady little pea-brain, you know that evolution is nonsense, and you're afraid to have the underpinning for your entire chosen philosophical system knocked out from under you like so many nine-pens.

Sorry, that's nonsense. The theory of evolution just keeps getting stronger as more fossils are found and the genetic evidence mounts up.

And the poor creationists get hammered every time they change the face of creationism to try to sneak back into the schools. Creation "science" went belly up, and more recently it was intelligent design. Now they are trying this "critical analysis" line, but what will happen is predictable: some fundamentalist teacher will go whole hog teaching religion and the courts will bounce that too.

Perhaps they should leave religion for the churches and science for the schools, eh?

68 posted on 07/11/2008 9:36:25 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: liberallarry

Wow. What an elitist, liberal thing to say.

I’m surprised you’ve lasted here since ‘01.


69 posted on 07/11/2008 9:37:54 AM PDT by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: Coyoteman

What does ‘fundamentalist’ mean to you?


70 posted on 07/11/2008 9:39:31 AM PDT by polymuser (Those who believe in something eventually prevail over those who believe in nothing.)
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To: Coyoteman

“Perhaps they should leave religion for the churches and science for the schools, eh? “

By all means, let’s have a one sided TOE (Science) indoctrination in our tax-payer funded public schools.


71 posted on 07/11/2008 9:40:01 AM PDT by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: Coyoteman
Wrong again. The assumption that genetics, in and of itself, proves evolution is nothing more than circular thinking. Perhaps we should just leave science to itself, instead of infusing anybody's theology into it, whether theist or evolutionist?

Keep your theologies off my biologies!

(BTW, if that shows up on bumper stickers a month from now, I'm going to come looking for my cut).

72 posted on 07/11/2008 9:41:03 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: scottdeus12
So am I. But, at least, think seriously about what I said. Why do you think we have great universities, huge libraries, laboratories, licenses which attempt to certify competence?

The knowledge mankind has gained over the centuries has come at great cost and is very difficult to master.

I'm sorry that you're insulted and humiliated at having to acknowledge, even to yourself, that you are not one of those who has done it or was able to do it. Your denial reminds me of that of far too many liberals who refuse to admit that those possessed of wealth and power might actually deserve them.

73 posted on 07/11/2008 9:44:54 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
The knowledge mankind has gained over the centuries has come at great cost and is very difficult to master.

Will/can you acknowledge that much of this knowledge was and is gained by Christians, and that many of those universities began as Christian institutions? And you erroneously assume much about other posters here.

74 posted on 07/11/2008 9:50:49 AM PDT by polymuser (Those who believe in something eventually prevail over those who believe in nothing.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
What's ironic in all these discussion about evolution in FR that I get into is that I don't actually have a problem with the principle of natural selection, per se. I just disagree with the non-empirical assumptions that are built off of the foundation of TNS.
75 posted on 07/11/2008 9:52:22 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: polymuser

Will I acknowledge the role of Christians in advancing civilization? I’d be a complete fool to deny it, wouldn’t I?


76 posted on 07/11/2008 10:02:57 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: polymuser
From

"“Be quiet and don’t question this, Kayla. We’re not informed scientists.”?

I assumed Kayla was one of your students.

77 posted on 07/11/2008 10:11:51 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry

The entire Theory of Evolution is founded upon assumptions just like that one.


78 posted on 07/11/2008 10:17:00 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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To: liberallarry

“I’m sorry that you’re insulted and humiliated at having to acknowledge, even to yourself, that you are not one of those who has done it or was able to do it.”

Well Im neither insulted or humiliated, but I sincerely appreciate your concern.

“Your denial reminds me of that of far too many liberals who refuse to admit that those possessed of wealth and power might actually deserve them.”

This comments makes absolutely no sense.


79 posted on 07/11/2008 10:22:31 AM PDT by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Assumptions are assumptions. Some are right and some are not. What’s crucial is how one differentiates. You’re statement reveals you to be a complete ignoramous about the scientific method in general and Evolutionary theory in particular.


80 posted on 07/11/2008 10:25:31 AM PDT by liberallarry
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