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Hughs: Rumor mill fueled by Internet stories [another hugh steenking pile]
knoxnews.com ^ | Friday, July 11, 2008 | By Ina Hughs

Posted on 07/10/2008 9:55:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Sticks and stone may break your bones - but words can destroy.

Think about the Swift Boat campaign and what it did to John Kerry in 2004 and what rumors of a secret love child did to John McCain's bid for the White House in 2000.

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The Internet is making it easy to set these little fires and fan them into a blaze of untruths, and this election has become so intense that groups wanting to undermine the other guy have sunk to a new level.

Unregulated attack groups like the 2004 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, called 527s after the section of the Internal Revenue code that allows them to raise unlimited cash, fool people into believing outlandish things that go unchallenged across the Internet.

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In a recent article in The Washington Post dealing with the new brand of high-tech smear tactics, political theorist Danielle Allen at Princeton University spoke about her determination to go to the source of the vitriolic THIS DEFINITELY WARRANTS LOOKING INTO e-mail messages. She was able to track it back to a posting on the Web site FreeRepublic.com, and a man named Andy Martin, a former political opponent of Obama's who first got the idea while trying to launch a Senate bid against Obama.

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It is almost impossible to quell such blasphemous and damaging rumors. The FEC found the Swift Boat attack was way out of line and chastised them for it, but the damage was done. And there are still those who take what they said as gospel.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: andymartin; danielleallen; elections; freerepublic; freespeech; liberalbs; liberallies; lies; obama; rumors; stalinesque; swiftvets; thebiglie; unregulatedinternet
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1 posted on 07/10/2008 9:55:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: kristinn; Interesting Times; The Shrew

The big lie keeps churning.


2 posted on 07/10/2008 9:57:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

It is always interesting how these ‘unfounded attacks’ never have an ‘absolute denial’ which includes ‘incontriverable proof’ attached to it. Has John Kerry released his unedited record yet?


3 posted on 07/10/2008 9:58:35 PM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: Jim Robinson
"attack groups like the 2004 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.. fool people into believing outlandish things that go unchallenged across the Internet"

Hey, Ina Hughs, practicing a little projection are you?


4 posted on 07/10/2008 10:02:50 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank goodness we have our peerless print urnalists to keep those nasty upstarts on the Intermets in line ;’}


5 posted on 07/10/2008 10:03:20 PM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: Jim Robinson
Google does Andy Martin + FRee Republic here.
6 posted on 07/10/2008 10:03:28 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Jim Robinson

Blasphemous? It is vitriolic to say Obama was a Muslim? I wonder what Muslims think about that? He might have been exposed to Islam in his childhood, but he isn’t a Muslim. What Obama is; is everything and nothing and a member of the Universal Church of Oprah.


7 posted on 07/10/2008 10:03:36 PM PDT by WildcatClan (Our Sun, The Hottiest Planet!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Beat me to this one by that much.

Who's smearing who? The mainstream media is waging a preemptive war against Free Republic to protect the Obamessiah from being exposed by the expert B.S. (Barbra Streisand) detecting Freepers.

8 posted on 07/10/2008 10:03:58 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: Jim Robinson
It is almost impossible to quell such blasphemous and damaging rumors. The FEC found the Swift Boat attack was way out of line and chastised them for it...

Oh really...I guess she can't be any more specific?

To the best of my knowledge, no one has ever disputed the truth of SBVT.

9 posted on 07/10/2008 10:04:12 PM PDT by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops by accusing them of war crimes.)
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To: kingu

Has he released it yet, YOU MUST BE JOKING that ASSWIPE WILL NEVER SIGN THE 180, and the world will never see what a real scumbag he is.


10 posted on 07/10/2008 10:05:06 PM PDT by snowman1
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To: Jim Robinson

The Swift Boat Vets bought TV ad time, appeared on talk radio, published a book, appeared on MSM news shows, etc. On the Internet we talked to each other about what we saw in the mainstream. The Internet as bogeyman don’t hunt.


11 posted on 07/10/2008 10:07:02 PM PDT by Poincare
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To: Jim Robinson
and what rumors of a secret love child did to John McCain's bid for the White House in 2000.

The only thing they did was remind me how much the left and Democrats wanted McCain. They started the rumors.

12 posted on 07/10/2008 10:07:16 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Thanks for the ping.

The FEC found the Swift Boat attack was way out of line and chastised them for it, but the damage was done. And there are still those who take what they said as gospel.

The FEC said nothing about the veracity of the Swift Vets' charges, of course. That isn't their job. They did write this:

"Following an investigation, the Commission concluded that SwiftVets did not unlawfully coordinate its activities with, or make excessive in-kind contributions to, any federal candidate or political party committee...
As they did with virtually all the major 527 organizations active in 2004, the FEC ruled that the Swift Vets intended to affect the election (duh), and therefore should have formed as a political action committee. Former FEC chairman Bradley Smith accused the commission of punishing such groups not for making errors in how they filed, but for "criticizing politicians."

The implication in this article that the FEC somehow refuted any of the Swift Vets' charges against Kerry is, quite simply, a lie.

13 posted on 07/10/2008 10:13:48 PM PDT by Interesting Times (Swiftboating, you say? Check out ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: Jim Robinson
When I first went into Law Enforcement I got a complaint filed against me. I was devastated, I had done nothing wrong, was a rookie who believed I was there to make life better for the good citizens and was willing to lay down my life to protect even the lowliest member of our community. I came to work the following day with my head hung low not knowing what I had done wrong but knew I must have done something to deserve a complaint. I went to face my watch commander ready to take the dressing down I was sure I must have deserved.

My Sargent asked what was wrong with me and I told him that he must not have heard that I had a complaint filed against me, he said "yeah, so?". He then explained the true nature of the world in on sentence: " If they aren't bitchin' about you I would assume you aren't doing your job".

Looks like you're doing your job Jim!

14 posted on 07/10/2008 10:15:57 PM PDT by txroadkill (Liberals believe that the only oppressed people in Cuba are the terrorist in GitMo)
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To: Jim Robinson

Another attempt to discredit the truth seekers at Free Republic. They can if they saturate, which might be their intent, but it would take too much time from their other propagandizing. They’ll probably assign a couple of journalists to this project to minimize their expense and maximize their other persuits, however those couple of journalists will soon wear out their cries of “wolf”.

They’ll be off on somebody, something else soon enough.


15 posted on 07/10/2008 10:17:57 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: gogeo; Jim Robinson
I posted a reply to her article on the web site just now, I could've gone into great detail based on the Addendum to the Swifities' book, but she really aint worth it.

The FEC is not a trier of fact, except as it relates to Federal Election Law, therefore, any action against the SBVT would have nothing to say about the truth or falsity of their position, a fact she probably knows full well.

The FEC ruling also included MoveOn.org and The League of Conservation Voters, a fact which didn't push the media template of her little hit piece. All parties settled out of court... yawn.

16 posted on 07/10/2008 10:23:32 PM PDT by FredZarguna ("It is the Fourth?" RIP, Senator Helms.)
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To: Jim Robinson
She was able to track it back to a posting on the Web site FreeRepublic.com, and a man named Andy Martin, a former political opponent of Obama's who...

So what was the posted and who posted it?

For a "gotcha" moment, this story is long on words and short on facts.

Where's the beef?

17 posted on 07/10/2008 10:24:48 PM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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To: Jim Robinson
high-tech smear tactic

This is nothing more than what's been with us from the beginning.

"A lie can get halfway around the world before the truth can even get its boots on." Mark Twain.

For any part that is indeed lies let them argue that issue and not make free speech the "issue."

18 posted on 07/10/2008 10:33:35 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Here's what I posted at Knox News:

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You claim that "The FEC found the Swift Boat attack was way out of line and chastised them for it, but the damage was done. And there are still those who take what they said as gospel."

This suggests that the FEC somehow refuted the Swift Vets' charges against Kerry, which is completely false. It isn't the FEC's job to validate the claims made by political groups, nor do they make any effort to do so. The FEC did note that the Swift Vets "did not unlawfully coordinate its activities with, or make excessive in-kind contributions to, any federal candidate or political party committee..."

The FEC also levied a fine against the Swift Vets, as they did to virtually all the major 527 organizations active in 2004, ruling that since they intended to affect the election they should have formed as political action committees.

If you're really concerned about honesty in political discussions, retracting your misleading characterization of the FEC's actions would be a fine place to start.

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I'll be surprised to see a retraction or correction. If Ina Hughs intended to write an honest article, she would have done so in the first place.

19 posted on 07/10/2008 10:33:38 PM PDT by Interesting Times (Swiftboating, you say? Check out ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: Jim Robinson

Woe is the gravitas of calumny.


20 posted on 07/10/2008 10:37:40 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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