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1 posted on 07/10/2008 9:55:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: kristinn; Interesting Times; The Shrew

The big lie keeps churning.


2 posted on 07/10/2008 9:57:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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It is always interesting how these ‘unfounded attacks’ never have an ‘absolute denial’ which includes ‘incontriverable proof’ attached to it. Has John Kerry released his unedited record yet?


3 posted on 07/10/2008 9:58:35 PM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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"attack groups like the 2004 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.. fool people into believing outlandish things that go unchallenged across the Internet"

Hey, Ina Hughs, practicing a little projection are you?


4 posted on 07/10/2008 10:02:50 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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Thank goodness we have our peerless print urnalists to keep those nasty upstarts on the Intermets in line ;’}


5 posted on 07/10/2008 10:03:20 PM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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Google does Andy Martin + FRee Republic here.
6 posted on 07/10/2008 10:03:28 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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Blasphemous? It is vitriolic to say Obama was a Muslim? I wonder what Muslims think about that? He might have been exposed to Islam in his childhood, but he isn’t a Muslim. What Obama is; is everything and nothing and a member of the Universal Church of Oprah.


7 posted on 07/10/2008 10:03:36 PM PDT by WildcatClan (Our Sun, The Hottiest Planet!)
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It is almost impossible to quell such blasphemous and damaging rumors. The FEC found the Swift Boat attack was way out of line and chastised them for it...

Oh really...I guess she can't be any more specific?

To the best of my knowledge, no one has ever disputed the truth of SBVT.

9 posted on 07/10/2008 10:04:12 PM PDT by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops by accusing them of war crimes.)
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The Swift Boat Vets bought TV ad time, appeared on talk radio, published a book, appeared on MSM news shows, etc. On the Internet we talked to each other about what we saw in the mainstream. The Internet as bogeyman don’t hunt.


11 posted on 07/10/2008 10:07:02 PM PDT by Poincare
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and what rumors of a secret love child did to John McCain's bid for the White House in 2000.

The only thing they did was remind me how much the left and Democrats wanted McCain. They started the rumors.

12 posted on 07/10/2008 10:07:16 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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When I first went into Law Enforcement I got a complaint filed against me. I was devastated, I had done nothing wrong, was a rookie who believed I was there to make life better for the good citizens and was willing to lay down my life to protect even the lowliest member of our community. I came to work the following day with my head hung low not knowing what I had done wrong but knew I must have done something to deserve a complaint. I went to face my watch commander ready to take the dressing down I was sure I must have deserved.

My Sargent asked what was wrong with me and I told him that he must not have heard that I had a complaint filed against me, he said "yeah, so?". He then explained the true nature of the world in on sentence: " If they aren't bitchin' about you I would assume you aren't doing your job".

Looks like you're doing your job Jim!

14 posted on 07/10/2008 10:15:57 PM PDT by txroadkill (Liberals believe that the only oppressed people in Cuba are the terrorist in GitMo)
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Another attempt to discredit the truth seekers at Free Republic. They can if they saturate, which might be their intent, but it would take too much time from their other propagandizing. They’ll probably assign a couple of journalists to this project to minimize their expense and maximize their other persuits, however those couple of journalists will soon wear out their cries of “wolf”.

They’ll be off on somebody, something else soon enough.


15 posted on 07/10/2008 10:17:57 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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She was able to track it back to a posting on the Web site FreeRepublic.com, and a man named Andy Martin, a former political opponent of Obama's who...

So what was the posted and who posted it?

For a "gotcha" moment, this story is long on words and short on facts.

Where's the beef?

17 posted on 07/10/2008 10:24:48 PM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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high-tech smear tactic

This is nothing more than what's been with us from the beginning.

"A lie can get halfway around the world before the truth can even get its boots on." Mark Twain.

For any part that is indeed lies let them argue that issue and not make free speech the "issue."

18 posted on 07/10/2008 10:33:35 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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Here's what I posted at Knox News:

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You claim that "The FEC found the Swift Boat attack was way out of line and chastised them for it, but the damage was done. And there are still those who take what they said as gospel."

This suggests that the FEC somehow refuted the Swift Vets' charges against Kerry, which is completely false. It isn't the FEC's job to validate the claims made by political groups, nor do they make any effort to do so. The FEC did note that the Swift Vets "did not unlawfully coordinate its activities with, or make excessive in-kind contributions to, any federal candidate or political party committee..."

The FEC also levied a fine against the Swift Vets, as they did to virtually all the major 527 organizations active in 2004, ruling that since they intended to affect the election they should have formed as political action committees.

If you're really concerned about honesty in political discussions, retracting your misleading characterization of the FEC's actions would be a fine place to start.

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I'll be surprised to see a retraction or correction. If Ina Hughs intended to write an honest article, she would have done so in the first place.

19 posted on 07/10/2008 10:33:38 PM PDT by Interesting Times (Swiftboating, you say? Check out ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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Woe is the gravitas of calumny.


20 posted on 07/10/2008 10:37:40 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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and what rumors of a secret love child did to John McCain's bid for the White House in 2000.

These stories about 2000 seem to be an underhanded mehtod of RE-invigorating this lie that had no effect in 2000.

McCain was the Democrats choice. In 2004 he almost crossed parties. In 2006 Dean staffers started getting behind McCain2008. Crossover Democrats gave us McCain as the GOP nominee. But as uncomfortable as we may be with his liberalism, he is to the right of Obama on virtually every issue. This "ethics" rumor about a bastard child is a smear. the kind of smears that the Obama camp would never admit to using. But someone is spreading it in 2008. Wonder who. My bet is on the same people who ran a campaign against a "culture of (sexual) corruption" in the GOP back in 2006. Pelosi-Reid-Dean's Democrat Party playing the politics of personal destruction AGAIN.

22 posted on 07/10/2008 10:43:37 PM PDT by weegee (Obama loves America like Bill loves Hillary.)
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Unregulated attack groups

Assumes that free speech needs "regulation."

24 posted on 07/10/2008 10:46:44 PM PDT by iowamark
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Danielle Allen is an admitted Obama Campaign operative and claims she resigned from the Obama Campaign on March 5th when she went on her personal jihad to investigate Internet emails that claimed Obama was/is a Muslim.

She has contributed $900 to Obama’s senatorial campaign and $2,350 to his presidential campaign.

She is obsessed about the “Muslim” Obama stories, but steers clear of Obama’s relationships with communists, Marxists, socialists, terrorists, racist reverends and convicted swindlers — relationships that are easy to document.

She is Dean of Humanities and a Professor of Classical Languages and Literature at the University of Chicago (where Obama taught) and the UPS Foundation Professor in the School of Social Science at the Institute for Advanced Study (IAS), at Princeton. She is violating federal law by using tax-exempt facilities and her UPS grant money to do opposition research for the Obama Campaign.

Her goal is to make “calumny” a crime on the Internet. Calumny is the act of uttering false charges or misrepresentations maliciously calculated to harm another's reputation.

Dr. Danielle Allen, supposedly “a genius,” has traded her reputation as a scholar to become a shill for Barack Obama.

32 posted on 07/11/2008 1:16:36 AM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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Sheesh. These leftist journalists trying to pose as objective truth checkers are getting whinier and whinier. Go get a box of kleenex to dry your river of tears, ya big baby.


33 posted on 07/11/2008 1:33:10 AM PDT by smedley64 (Dems go all-in every 4 years with a 7-2 offsuit marxist, hoping to hit the flop big just one time.)
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Ina Hughs

"..In her 30 years as a newspaper columnist, Ina Hughs has focused on issues involving human rights, children, women's concerns, religion and the environment..."

34 posted on 07/11/2008 1:46:13 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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