Posted on 07/09/2008 3:18:12 PM PDT by skyman
Utah lawmakers need to take a hard look at changing a law that allows the State's Department of Public Safety to issue concealed weapon permits to out-of-state residents.
Utah, it seems, has become the permit-issuer of choice for thousands of hand-gun owners across the nation. This year, Utah is projected to issue some 40,000 permits. That will be a 143-percent increase over last year and a 257-percent increase over 2006. About half of all permits are issued to people who don't reside in Utah. They apply here, it seems, because lawmakers have made the process efficient and inexpensive.
The person who oversees the issuance of permits for the Department of Public Safety recently told a legislative committee that the program "is becoming unmanageable." While the department does a good job of monitoring concealed carry holders in Utah, Richard Townsend said it is "increasingly difficult" to keep tabs on out-of-state permit holders and the 650 individuals in other states who are authorized under Utah statute to teach firearms safety.
It begs a couple of simple questions: why is the state of Utah even in the business of arming the nation? How does it benefit the people of Utah?
Without solid, non-ideological answers to those questions, it would be best to stop issuing permits to out-of-state applicants.
I’m guessing that western states ‘reciprocate’ - that is they honor the CCW issued by a neighboring state? I live in Pennsylvania and I don’t think any of our immediate neighbors, except perhaps WVA (and I don’t really know in that case) honors our CCW’s. We are a ‘shall issue’ state & all of the surrounding states are more restrictive.
Aren’t these permits for nonresidents , who do not have a permit in their home state or whose home state permits may not be recognized in Utah ( if there are any ) to be allowed concealed carry while in the State of Utah ?
You need to take a course from a certified Utah instructor for a UT CCW and Utah can and does de-list instructors who do not strictly follow the rules. Fingerprinting is required and background checks are done. This isn’t just handing them out to anyone.
Plus it’s $50 or $60 a license which is money flowing into the state.
UT CCW is honored in OH and (I think) DE
NY, NJ & MD don’t honor many (any?) from other states, but they are all socialist hellholes anyway.
considering usually civilians employed for the local PD do this background check for about $10, they’re making MORE money.
Assuming that arming yourself is a Right, and I believe the Supreme Court agrees, what is wrong with this?
Oh, I know: it offends somebody’s sensibilities that they can’t “control” who gets a permit...
If I understand correctly the proposed change won’t remove Utah out-of-state CCW completely. It will make it so you actually have to go to Utah to get one. I’m not convinced I really have a problem with that...well besides the entire permit thing in the first place, but that’s a different argument.
Also I don’t believe that it would change any current Utah reciprocity laws. Utah honors most State’s CCW permits.
Duane needs a life:
Utah’s not “arming the nation” - the nation is already armed, and legally so.
That’s one reason. I know a number of people in my state (whose permit is recognized by Utah) who have Utah nonresident permits anyway. In our case, our state doesn’t have a training requirement and there are some states that won’t extend reciprocity for permits that don’t have training requirements, so getting the Utah permit opens up a few more states where one can carry with it even though our own resident permit isn’t recognized.
I always thought Florida was the best license, giving you something like 28 states, and accepting your training from your home state, in a simple mail-in process? Has this changed?
I just did some research at usacarry.com.
The following states accept UT but not FL permits (assuming non resident of Utah or Florida): WA, MN, WV.
All I can say is IF Obama wins in November, the Democrats will be emboldened and claim a mandate. That leads to more controls.
As a result, I am more than tempted to check this out and act accordingly.
Thanks for the post.
-bflr-
Utah's CCW permit costs a fee of $65.25.
Multiplied by 40,000, this is revenue of $2.61 million into Utah state coffers.
Utah is the best license to get now.
MO CCW is accepted in 31 states, 16 do not recognize it (all NE and left coast minus WA) it and of course 2 have no CCW period.
Only problem is that MO does not issue CCW endorsements to non-residents....
God Bless
http://ago.mo.gov/Concealed-Weapons/Concealed-Carry-Reciprocity-Missouri.htm
Here is the MO AG website with reciprocity info....
Florida Concealed Carry Reciprocity
1. Alabama
2. Alaska
3. Arizona
4. Arkansas
5. Colorado
6. Delaware
7. Georgia
8. Idaho
9. Indiana
10. Kansas
11. Kentucky
12. Louisiana
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14. Mississippi
15. Missouri
16. Montana
17. New Hampshire
18. New Mexico
19. Nevada
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25. South Dakota
26. Tennessee
27. Texas
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32. Wyoming
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