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1 posted on 07/01/2008 9:42:59 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul
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His plane was hit?


2 posted on 07/01/2008 9:46:23 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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The scumbags have some serious chutzpah considering most of the VVAW wankers were proven to be fakers.


3 posted on 07/01/2008 9:47:30 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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I don’t think anyone will try to attack McCain with this. The Forrestal Fire is on video. You can see with your own eyes exactly what happened and the sequence of events clearly exonerate McCain. Why in hell would he start something that could have very well killed him anyway? He’s a backstabber but he doesn’t deserve this kind of tripe being spread against him.


7 posted on 07/01/2008 9:55:03 PM PDT by WildcatClan
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“Pete’s sake how to you even work up a lie that he’s somehow responsible.”

Um, because libscum are lying sacks of sh!t who know they have dumbed down the American public (thanks, NEA) to the point where many dem voters will buy any idiotic cr@p they spew? See 1984 by Orwell.


9 posted on 07/01/2008 9:56:00 PM PDT by piytar
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To: Doctor Raoul

Hope Mc. Stain sues him blind.


10 posted on 07/01/2008 9:56:02 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (The devil made me do it!,.......................................................( well, not really.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

Nah, It was a guy named StevenCVA59. He loaded the Zuni rocket improperly.
He’s on aol.com. Just ask him.


11 posted on 07/01/2008 9:56:29 PM PDT by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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From: Naval Aviation News, October 1967
compiled and edited by Senior Chief Journalist John D. Burlage

The Forrestal Fire
http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/carriers/histories/cv59-forrestal/forrestal-fire.html


12 posted on 07/01/2008 9:56:35 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chuiyXQKw3I


15 posted on 07/01/2008 10:00:10 PM PDT by WildcatClan
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COMPLETE AND TOTAL B.S.

The cause of the USS Forrestal fire had nothing to do with John McCain. A Zuni rocket launched accidentally from an F-4 (Phantom), NOT an A-4, and it came from the opposite side of the flight deck compared to where McCain was sitting in his A-4 readying for take-off. McCain’s A-4 was not the plane involved either in launching the Zuni rocket or getting hit by the Zuni rocket, but he was very close to the conflagration and easily could have lost his life. Many did perish in the ensuing fires, but for anyone to assert that John McCain bore any responsibility is completely contrary to the findings of extensive investigations and witness reports. These scumbags will not stop smearing anyone who doesn’t share their far-left derangement.


“At 10:52 A.M. on July 29, the second launch was being readied when a Zuni rocket accidentally fired from an F-4 Phantom parked on the starboard side of the flight deck aft of the island. The missile streaked across the deck into a 400 gallon belly fuel tank on a parked A-4D Skyhawk. The ruptured tank spew highly flammable JP-5 fuel onto the deck which ignited spreading flames over the flight deck under other fully loaded aircraft ready for launch. The ensuing fire caused ordinance to explode and other rockets to ignite. Spread by the wind, the flames engulfed the aft end of the stricken ship turning the flight deck into a blazing inferno.. Berthing spaces immediately below the flight deck became death traps for fifty men, while other crewmen were blown overboard by the explosion.”

http://www.forrestal.org/fidfacts/page13.htm


16 posted on 07/01/2008 10:01:10 PM PDT by Enchante (OBAMA: "That's not the Wesley Clark I knew!")
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Oh, yeah. Everybody going through Damage Control school in the 70's got chapter and verse on the Forrestal. It was one of those cascades of events that you couldn't make worse if you tried.

McCain is lucky to be alive. The guy next to him made it to the flight deck and was killed when the first bomb cooked off. A Chief had the brass ones to try cooling it with a hand-held fire extinguisher and paid for it with his life. 134 guys lost that day.

18 posted on 07/01/2008 10:05:16 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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The left has no idea what the Swiftboat Veterans against J F Kerry movement was all about in the last election. They think it was a bunch of GOP Operatives posing as veterans telling lies about John Kerry's shining patriotic career in the Navy.

I believe that all of this crap we are starting to see and hear is their version of "SwiftBoating." They are claiming that:......... "Well they (GOP) did it to Kerry so we are going to do it to McCain!"

That is an exact quote of what I heard from a liberal on Monday.

19 posted on 07/01/2008 10:06:04 PM PDT by R_Kangel (`.`)
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When is McCain going to learn that he cannot trust liberals? He's trying to be Mr. Nice Guy, and the RATS are screwing him at every turn. He better cowboy up and go for the jugular if he really wants to be President.
21 posted on 07/01/2008 10:10:38 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (LIBERALS SHOULD BE EUTHANIZED FOR THE "COMMON GOOD.")
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John Kerry, from his book, The New Soldier:

"We will not quickly join those who march on Veterans' Day waving small [American] flags, calling to memory those thousands who died for the 'greater glory of the United States.'..."

"The John Kerry quote comes in the epilogue to "The New Soldier," the book put out by Vietnam Veterans Against the War [VVAW]. The book's cover features a group of not-particularly sober-looking anti-war protesters (vets, presumably) flying the American flag upside down [while mocking the historic flag raising event at Iwo Jima]":
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1203164/posts

Note John Kerry's name at top right of The New Soldier

John Kerry: "...if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned."

"Under questioning from the Committee, Kerry referred to the democratically elected government of South Vietnam -- our allies -- as a "dictatorial regime, the Thieu-Ky-Khiem regime," while respectfully calling the North Vietnamese communist regime we were fighting by its oxymoronic official name, the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, and the murderous Viet Cong's political arm by their preferred "Provisional Revolutionary Government.":
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/lindachavez/lc20040428.shtml

From Frontpagemag.com:
During the question and answer period following his April 22, 1971 televised testimony before the Armed Services Committee of the United States Senate, Kerry said:

"I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it has been stated time and time again, and was stated by Senator Vance Hartke when he returned from Paris, and it has been stated by many other officials of this Government, if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned."

Even today, knowing what we know about the Vietnamese communists and about John Kerry, it is difficult to grasp the enormity of what he was confessing to. As an American citizen and a member of the United States Navy—while his former comrades and countless others were fighting and dying in Vietnam at the hands of Viet Cong guerillas and North Vietnamese regulars—Kerry consorted with the Viet Cong representative and discussed (“talked with,” he euphemized) her “plan.” That obscene plan included a trade: the return of our POWs for a withdrawal of American forces.

As John O’Neill expressed in his important bestselling book Unfit For Command, “. . . America could have its POWs back only if we agreed that we lost, then surrendered, and then set a date to leave.”

Kerry’s wartime trip to Paris was confirmed about six months ago by a campaign spokesman, who tossed it off as a mere “fact-finding” excursion.

Yet Kerry was apparently so impressed with the “facts” he found in company with the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese that a few months after his return from Paris he had the effrontery to urge the President of the United States to accept his communist hosts’ plan for 'peace' in Vietnam."
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15127

"We will not quickly join those who march on Veterans' Day waving small (American) flags, calling to memory those thousands who died for the 'greater glory of the United States.' "

So John Kerry would have a difficult time marching with those waving small American flags yet had NO problems marching with those waving HUGE VIETCONG FLAGS?


"Pictured above: VVAW-supported demonstration during the Washington Spring Offensive, April - May 1971. Notice the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong flags."

June, 1970 -- Kerry joins Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), a national veterans group that is part of the Peoples Coalition for Peace and Justice. The PCPJ is a broad coalition of local and national organizations, including the Communist Party, USA, "committed to conducting demonstrations aimed at ending the war in Indochina, and poverty, racism and injustice at home." The VVAW, CCI and PCPJ all have headquarters at 156 Fifth Avenue in New York City. VVAW Executive Secretary Al Hubbard, a former Black Panther, is also on the coordinating committee of the PCPJ. Hubbard soon appoints Kerry to the VVAW's Executive Committee, bypassing the normal election process.
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline


http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm

November 22, 1970 -- During a fund-raising tour for GI deserters, Vietnam Veterans Against the War and the Black Panthers, Jane Fonda is quoted in the Detroit Free Press as telling a University of Michigan audience:

"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would someday become communist," and "The peace proposal of the Viet Cong is the only honorable, just, possible way to achieve peace in Vietnam."
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline

Fonda made the following statement at the University of Texas:
"We've got to establish a Socialist economic structure that will limit private profit-oriented businesses. Whether the transition is peaceful depends on the way our present governmental leaders react. We must commit our lives to this transition ...... We should be very proud of our new breed of soldier. It's not organized but it's mutiny, and they have every right." --Karen Elliott Dallas Morning News December 11, 1971

PHOTO: "Jane Fonda and John Kerry at an anti-war rally in Valley Forge, Pa. (Leif Skoogfors/Corbis)"
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry.asp

John Kerry and the VVAW--Hanoi's American Puppets?
"Two recently discovered documents captured from the Vietnamese communists during the Vietnam War strongly support the contention that a close link existed between the Hanoi regime and the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) while John Kerry served as the group's leading national spokesman."
http://www.wintersoldier.com/staticpages/index.php?page=puppets

Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) Complete FBI files:
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=VVAWFBI


23 posted on 07/01/2008 10:12:15 PM PDT by ETL (Plenty of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the demonRats at my FR home page)
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29 posted on 07/01/2008 11:10:56 PM PDT by rottndog (Globull Warming "Science" = garbage in, gospel out.)
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Is this what you mean:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vfptalk/message/4837


31 posted on 07/02/2008 1:33:47 AM PDT by Bodhi1 (Homeschools for a reason.)
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Quite a few freepers have been perpetuating that old lie as well.


34 posted on 07/02/2008 3:33:49 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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37 posted on 07/02/2008 3:47:41 AM PDT by magslinger (Infidel, American type, quantity one (1) each.)
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McCain actually walked along the refueling probe (fixed on the A-4) to get clear of the fire. Pretty neat way to escape the conflagration consuming the plane.


38 posted on 07/02/2008 5:07:45 AM PDT by Dilbert56 (Harry Reid, D-Nev.: "We're going to pick up Senate seats as a result of this war.")
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Hey Doc, they are not just going after McCain now. They are also going after his father for the attack on the USS Liberty.

There is a thread up right now of that smear.

40 posted on 07/02/2008 5:17:45 AM PDT by mware
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There is a movie clip showing McCain’s plane being hit by a accedently fired missle on the deck of an aircraft carrier.

These liberals are really bad people.


41 posted on 07/02/2008 5:55:04 AM PDT by chatham
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