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Analysis: Faked birth certificate suggests Obama may not be US citizen
Israeli Insider ^ | 6/24/08 | Reuben Korvet

Posted on 06/24/2008 1:01:41 PM PDT by pissant

t is now a virtual certainty that the "birth certificate" claimed by the Barack Obama campaign as authentic is a photoshopped fake.

The image, purporting to come from the Hawaii Department of Health, has been the subject of intense skepticism in the blogosphere in the past two weeks.

It has become even more suspect with the revelation that variations of the certificate image were posted on the Photobucket image aggregation website -- including one listing the location of Obama's birth as Antarctica, one with the certificate supposedly issued by the government of North Korea, and another including a purported photo of baby Barack -- one of which has a "photo taken" time-stamp just two minutes before the article and accompanying image was posted on the left-wing Daily Kos blog.

That strongly suggests that Daily Kos obtained the image from Photobucket, not the State of Hawaii, the Obama family, or the Obama campaign. Photobucket is not known as a credible supplier of official vital records for any of the fifty states, and the liberties that other Photoshoppers took with the certificates confirms this.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: barackobama; birthcertificate; certifigate; dailykos; democrats; elections; nobama08; obama; obamatruthfile
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To: pissant
Step away from the tin foil.

While interesting, his birth certificate is not that important.

As long as his mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth, wherever that might have been, he is a U.S. citizen. Unless he renounced it at some time since then.

61 posted on 06/24/2008 1:27:15 PM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: Zack Attack
Maybe I’m slow, but doesn’t a candidate have to prove they fit constitutional requirements to be president BEFORE they can even get their name on a ballot? If not, why not?

Prove to who?

62 posted on 06/24/2008 1:27:28 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: AppyPappy

Ah, the 14th amendment. The same one that gives us anchor babies.


63 posted on 06/24/2008 1:27:54 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Nonsense. The ‘accusers’ have already shown his BC on his website to be a forgery. He has some splainin’ to do.


64 posted on 06/24/2008 1:28:01 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: nikos1121

New York State birth certificates (at least mine) has the birth hospital listed.


65 posted on 06/24/2008 1:28:04 PM PDT by cdga5for4
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To: Grampa Dave; okie01

It’s real, really from the Department of Health.

But it’s not properly certified.

Some clerk made it, passed it to the Obama people.

That’s my take from last night,

though I didn’t get any support, :(

But I got dibs on that interpretation.


66 posted on 06/24/2008 1:28:31 PM PDT by Shermy (Handlebars, Flobots. A prophecy about egomania, megalomania and Obama.)
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To: pissant

This came from a USNA alumnus. It’ll be interesting to see how the media handle this...


Barack Obama is not a legal U.S. natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between December 24, 1952, to November 13, 1986. Federal Law requires that the office of President requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents. This is what exempts John McCain, though he was born in the US Panama Canal Zone.

US Law very clearly states: ‘. . . If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of one’s birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.’ Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen is a fact.

Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born. This means even though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen of Hawaii being a territory), his mother fails the test for at-least-5-years- prior-to Barack Obama’s birth, but-after-age-16.

In essence, Mother alone is not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, 2 years elapsed from his mother turning 16 to the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18. His mother would have needed to have been 16 + 5 = 21 years old at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to be a natural-born citizen. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at the time his mother would have needed to be to allow him natural citizenship from his only U.S. Citizen parent. Obama should have been naturalized as a citizen . . . but that would disqualify him from holding the office.

The Constitution clearly declares: Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, any other information does not matter because his mother is the one who must fulfill the requirement to be a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16.

Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the USA for some time frame to protect any citizenship he might have had, rather than living in Indonesia. This is very clear cut and a glaring violation of U.S. Election law. I think the Governor Schwarzenegger of California should be very interested in discovering if Obama is allowed to be elected President without being a natural-born U.S. Citizen, since this would set a precedent. Stay tuned to your TV sets because I suspect some of this information will be leaking through over the next several days.


67 posted on 06/24/2008 1:28:35 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: pissant
There are other possibilities. They may list his religion, he may have had a different birth name, his parents may not have been married, etc

Barack's mother may not know who the father was.

68 posted on 06/24/2008 1:28:45 PM PDT by tvdog12345
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To: fireforeffect

So he can put a forgery on his website as ‘proof’ and suffer no consequences?


69 posted on 06/24/2008 1:28:52 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: edpc
IIRC, the qualifications for at the time were the American born parent had to be a US citizen for 5 years after their 16th birthday. His mother had him at age 19/20, therefore disqualifying him.

...only if he was born outside the U.S. If he was born in Hawaii, he is a natural born citizen regardless.

70 posted on 06/24/2008 1:28:58 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: gidget7

It’s really curious that, with the hundreds of millions of dollars he’s raised, that he couldn’t have hired a really good forgerer to produce a counterfeit certificate that would pass the toughest inspection. Instead, the campaign got this cheap forgery that any computer newbie could produce with any graphics program in a few minutes.

He absolutely should produce the original paper copy and put an end to this speculation. The cheap fake on his web site doesn’t resolve this problem.


71 posted on 06/24/2008 1:29:16 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: edpc
IIRC, the qualifications for at the time were the American born parent had to be a US citizen for 5 years after their 16th birthday. His mother had him at age 19/20, therefore disqualifying him.

There is some question on that. But regardless, there is no proof he was born outside the U.S. to begin with so that law doesn't apply.

72 posted on 06/24/2008 1:29:53 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: gridlock

His VP would be sworn in.

But that scenario begs the question as to why would he be so motivated to become president?

Does he go to jail for fraud, tried for treason?

Riots...wow...just wow what a destablizing event if we have to wait until AFTER the election.


73 posted on 06/24/2008 1:30:40 PM PDT by EBH ( ... the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness. --Alculin c.735-804)
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To: nikos1121

Nikos...keep up the good work on this....it sure stinks of something...maybe bull shitte


74 posted on 06/24/2008 1:30:45 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
He absolutely should produce the original paper copy and put an end to this speculation.

Shouldn't those claiming he was born outside the U.S. be required to show some proof first?

75 posted on 06/24/2008 1:31:26 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

“Provide evidence that Obama wasn’t born in Honolulu on August 4th, 1961. “

Actually, you must prove your citizenship. But you are still missing the point. This document is from the Barack Obama campaign website. If it is a forgery, that’s a really big deal.


76 posted on 06/24/2008 1:31:29 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Shermy

It’s not real. It’s photoshopped.


77 posted on 06/24/2008 1:31:51 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: EBH
Does he go to jail for fraud, tried for treason?

Treason? Let's not get carried away.

78 posted on 06/24/2008 1:32:17 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: rhombus

Better for the Clintons that the repubs bring this out.


79 posted on 06/24/2008 1:32:54 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Obama, tells us truthfully, where you were born.)
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To: NativeNewYorker
Imagine if you can the look on Soros’ face when one of his lackeys has to go and tell the man that no one bothered checking to see if his stooge was even legally qualified to be president.

Step with me into The Twighlight Zone

Submitted for your consideration... An elderly Zillionaire, who wants to be President of the United States. However, he is not a natural born citizen, and is thus prevented from running, and even if he could he could not spend enough of his own money to win under public financing rules.

So he runs a patsy for President, and spends enough money to ensure he will win. But he is careful to choose somebody who is also not a natural born citizen, knowing that the Congress will remove the requirement rather than throw out the results of a national election. Thus one bar is removed. He also has this candidate opt out of public financing, thus guaranteeing the death of that system. Thus another bar is removed...

(cue eerie music...)

Perhaps Soros is just laying the groundwork for Soros 2012!

80 posted on 06/24/2008 1:33:03 PM PDT by gridlock (Ted Kennedy wants YOU to live like the Flintstones while HE lives like the Jetsons.)
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