Posted on 06/23/2008 3:45:52 PM PDT by freespirited
That's the first intelligent comment on this thread. If it were genuine, the certificate number would not be blanked out. There are only two possibilities here:
1. Its an erased and re printed certificate from another individual. or,
2. Its a blank that was furnished by one of the Obama flaks in the county clerk's office, that would not have a number in any field.
Either way, he's not a citizen, by neither birth, nor by application for citizenship, and thus is not elligible to hold public office. Any Senate vote where his vote was the deciding edge is therefore invalid.
What’s the difference between “date filed by state registrar” and “date accepted by state registrar”?
FWIW, Hawaii is well known as a black market for fake government forms and documents. Remember, it wasn’t a state until 1959. If a local family member worked in a basic industry with sufficient dedication to want to have a middle management job, procuring grandfathered professional certifications by that black market was rather common. Likewise, if one wanted a birth certificate to receive Hawaiian benefits provided the person was local friend, their procurement was simple.
(If anything, fake documents probably had all the i’s dotted and t’s crossed, because they frequently were procured amongst black marketers who actually issued the forms normally, so they made sure they were either indubitable, so they wouldn’t be traced back to them, or they would be so canned, the seller would be excused from any MO because they wouldn;t fill them out so flippantly.)
That he was not born in Hawaii, and thus not a citizen.
No, but his not having been born in the U.S. does. (Kenya)
After 1986.
I take it that it's a different way to say the same thing. The baby is born, but the forms don't get to the state registrar until a few days later, depending on if there was a weekend or holiday involved, or if the clerk was out of the office a few days--which makes the number of days between the birth and the filing of the birth certificate with the state registrar different on each birth certificate.
The thing that so many are confused about is that these are Certificates of Birth, NOT the actual birth certificate. Many if not most people lose their original birth certificate (or their parents do, let's face it, they're a tiny baby when the thing is issued and have no control over its location and care), or it crumbles to dust after many years, so they send off for a certificate, which is not the same thing as the original birth certificate. Just considering it in an economical sense, there would be boxes and boxes of dusty birth certificates stacked in the basement (I don't' think they have basements in Hawaii but you get my drift) and someone would have to go down there and hunt through tens of thousands of pieces of paper to satisfy each and every request for a copy of a birth certificate. To simplify matters, the state just issues a certificate of live birth which is proof that the child was born where and when, etc.
Since 1986 federal law requires an embossed seal on a "fraud proof" form for proof of citizenship. Older birth certificates, even though real, and valid, are not useable for this purpose.
If you need to prove your citizenship, you will have to get a new copy on the current type of form, and it will look like the ones shown here.
I agree. 30 years is too great a separation to use for comparison.
If only Barack's first name was "Damien." (sorry, not trying to derail the thread, just felt like it maybe needed a little levity). I actually like the speculation of him being adopted by his mother, thus the possible chicanery 47 years later with his "birth certificate." If that angle ever gets legs, we need to send out some enterprising FReepers to get a cig butt that Obama has discarded (or a crack pipe he threw away) and send someone to find his grandma, and maybe steal some hair from her, then have a DNA test done to prove that his mother was his real mom. I bet they find jackal DNA in him.
Troll, or just a little slow on the uptake?
By law, the original hospital birth certificate has to be kept, and stored. In addition, there are numerous microfilm copies of them, at the hospital, at the county clerk's office, and sometimes at title co. plants.
The information from the hospital certificate is transfered to an official certificate, which is also kept, and microfilmed, but is only accessable by county clerk employees. Finally, now there is also a computer version created by filling the record fields of a file on a hard disk. That is what is being viewed here.
This will be better used after the convention, leaving the communist party without a candidate.
“Please see my latest blog post (polarik.townhall.com) to read what I learned from the Hawaii Department of Health today. “
I took the time to copy and past the info you provided.
I’m on your side. But...
As the information you have obtained is very interesting, why don’t you do everyone on FR a favor and just post it here, “outright”?
- John
waiting in the wings...
ready for his close-up
Id say based on that picture Al Gore is suffering from global warming
I'm with you. However, I think the revelation would be via an unchecked box on the cert next to the word "legitimate." Throughout the birth certificate debate this has been my hunch as to the reason his campaign will not release the original. If, as we suspect he is an illegitimate child, he fears public reaction.
No, I believe he was born in the U.S. Mainly because he would ruin his career were he caught lying about his birthplace. It's simply contrary to his self-interest, which we know is what guides his every move.
I have no idea why his campaign might present a forged certification over a true one. If you want to know why I think it is hiding the original certificate, read my reply immediately above.
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