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Chinese warned of record rise in ore price
The Financial Times ^ | 6/22/2008 | Javier Blas and Rebecca Bream

Posted on 06/22/2008 9:32:34 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

Rio Tinto and BHP Billiton have asked their Chinese steelmaker customers to accept the largest ever increase in iron ore prices or risk the interruption of supplies from Australia.

Traders and industry officials said the mining companies have demanded price increases for their annual iron ore contracts in excess of the record 71.5 per cent rise of 2005 and were fighting for increases of 85-95 per cent.

Rio and BHP have warned their Chinese clients some annual contracts will expire next Monday and they would cease supply under the old terms. They have told them the ore would instead be sold into the spot market, where prices are higher.

The bold step indicates that the heated annual price negotiations, already well beyond their traditional conclusion date, are set to move into a hostile phase.

Analysts said most of Rio’s iron ore contracts would expire on June 30. However, some BHP contracts do not expire until September, leaving the latter time to negotiate and allowing Rio to take the lead in the discussions.

Macquarie, the Australian bank, said Rio was committed to securing a price in excess of the 85-95 per cent the market is expecting. “That stance suggests investors should be prepared for an extended and potentially hostile conclusion to the negotiations,” it said in a report.

Rio and BHP are demanding a larger price increase than Brazil’s Vale because their proximity to China reduces shipping costs.

Traders said that freight costs from Australia to China collapsed last week by 37 per cent as at least one of the mining companies stopped booking some vessels for July to ship under the old contracts. That move signalled their intention to move shipments into the spot market if the negotiations failed.

If Rio and BHP carry out their threat of diverting shipments into the spot market, analysts said the steelmakers would be likely to retaliate by stopping buying for as long as possible. Although China has record high iron ore inventories, the country depended heavily on imports, they said, and it would not be long before it had to cave in and buy into the spot market.

Morgan Stanley said in a report the ore market was under “unprecedented” pricing developments and . . . “remains very tight and in significant deficit”.

Rio and BHP declined to comment.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; mining; steel

1 posted on 06/22/2008 9:32:34 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Ping


2 posted on 06/22/2008 9:33:49 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: indcons; TigersEye

Ping


3 posted on 06/22/2008 9:34:38 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: bruinbirdman

I guess cartels like OPEC exist in many businesses.

This is a big deal in China - they can’t stand being held hostage like this. Welcome to the real world!


4 posted on 06/22/2008 9:38:34 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: PGR88; Army Air Corps
In the near-term, this could serve as an useful propaganda material: Anglo-Saxon cabals out to get China.

In the long-term, this is a big problem, though. Their resource-heavy industry cannot be changed overnight. Days of churning out cheap products banking on commodity price staying low is over.

5 posted on 06/22/2008 9:47:53 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: bruinbirdman
"freight costs from Australia to China collapsed last week by 37 per cent "

While someone is pissed over ore, another is happy in exports.

6 posted on 06/22/2008 9:50:55 PM PDT by endthematrix (Congress, Get Off Your Gas, And Drill!)
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To: Army Air Corps

I am amazed that in all of China there are no iron ore deposits worthy of note.


7 posted on 06/22/2008 9:59:29 PM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: bruinbirdman
Just thinking that the quality of Chinese steel products is inferior, I Googled "quality of chinese steel." The results were as I expected. On a positive note, there's lots of room for them to improve. :-\

I just read over a September 2007 Kiplinger article titled New Threat from China: Shoddy Steel Imports. The author, an associate editor, points out Kiplinger's impartiality in the comments section following the article.

Among other tidbits, the article stated that "The biggest concern is hollow structural sections widely used in construction" and "Chinese high-strength steel tubes and pipes are also a potential problem." It also mentioned that China is the second-largest supplier of high-strength steel to the U.S., after Canada.

8 posted on 06/22/2008 10:01:07 PM PDT by FoxInSocks (B. Hussein Obama: The Paucity of Hope)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"Analysts said most of Rio’s iron ore contracts would expire on June 30. However, some BHP contracts do not expire until September"

Many have predicted dire problems for Red China "after the Olympics." More to come for the Commies?

And they just raised petrol prices.

yitbos

9 posted on 06/22/2008 10:02:43 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: bruinbirdman

China’s trade surplus, if there is such a thing, will be going way down.


10 posted on 06/22/2008 10:03:58 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: FoxInSocks

Chinese drill pipe sucks, holes aplenty and twists-offs too.

The low price is lost when you are always tripping to change out pipe.


11 posted on 06/22/2008 10:04:28 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Demorats tax returns consists of "welfare in" and " child support out.")
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To: bruinbirdman

I wonder what they would pay for Detroit.


12 posted on 06/22/2008 10:07:23 PM PDT by djf (I don't believe in perpetual motion. Perpetual mutton, that's another thing entirely!)
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To: bruinbirdman
Wonderful predictions on China's growth are all predicated on the fact that economic and political situation, both inside and outside China, remain favorable for a long time.

Then we can plot the trend curve and say that China' GDP would surpass country X's by year 2xxx.

This is not likely to happen. We are all heading for really tough economic times, which China also made its share of contribution to, by consuming huge amount of commodities, and jacking up their price.

China should be tested on how well it can survive tough time. Then we can make better prediction on future growth potential of China. So far we have seen its performance under really favorable condition and gave it too much credit than it may deserve.

13 posted on 06/22/2008 10:24:54 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Wonderful predictions on China's growth are all predicated on the fact that economic and political situation, both inside and outside China, remain favorable for a long time.

Tough economic times now would be a political disaster, and lead to widespread social unrest, which is what the central government is desperately trying to avoid.

14 posted on 06/22/2008 11:07:00 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer
That is why the sustainability of China's growth is questioned. A country's growth rate usually tapers off when its economy matures. However, this is not what I am talking about.
It is about whether China's high growth rate can be sustainable while it is still a developing country.
15 posted on 06/22/2008 11:18:19 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: razorback-bert

Yep, son who is directional driller says brand new stanless steel Chinese drill collars will not even pass magnaflux and x ray. Their company wide rule, and I think all over west Texas, is no Chinese crap downhole.

He just spent 1.2 million for 60 of them from Germany, which all passed inspection with flying colors, and still had to have pins and boxes turned on them at a local machine shop.


16 posted on 06/22/2008 11:36:07 PM PDT by biff
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"China should be tested on how well it can survive tough time."

The Asian meltdown of 1997 hurt them much more severly than us. The social ramifications were at least as significant.

The west can live with $140 oil. The Chi Coms can't.

They don't sell us much we really need. They need commodities.

17 posted on 06/23/2008 2:07:23 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." - Ayn Rand)
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To: bruinbirdman

This plus the other internal problems in China will make for some interesting times ahead.


18 posted on 06/23/2008 6:40:42 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: bruinbirdman
The west can live with $140 oil. The Chi Coms can't.

The less developed a country is, the more energy it uses per dollar of GDP. High oil prices are poison to China and will cause very substantial demand production as soon as the PRC reduces their subsidies to end users.

Energy markets are self-correcting.

jas3
19 posted on 06/23/2008 7:17:40 AM PDT by jas3
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To: jas3
High oil prices are poison to China and will cause very substantial demand production as soon as the PRC reduces their subsidies to end users.
Unless China owns the wells. Don't they have significant investment in oil from Africa? What's to keep them from "colonizing" oil producing failed African countries? The UN?
20 posted on 06/23/2008 6:40:02 PM PDT by gingeroni
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