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We're not going to pay AP's extortion fees and we're not going to allow them to control free speech!
Recent AP vs fair use threads ^ | June 17, 2008 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 06/17/2008 1:23:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

This is our Boston tea Party.

The Associated Press wants to levy a $12.50 and up license fee (aka extortion fee) on any blogger who quotes more than 4 words from one of their propaganda pieces. This is an outrageous attempt to control the blogosphere and free speech itself. To hell with their license fee and to hell with the AP. Any AP article that gets posted to FR will be jettisoned into the harbor posthaste.

Please do not post any AP material to FR excerpted or not.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: achillwind; agitprop; americanpravda; antiamericanpress; ap; apbias; associatedpress; asspress; censorship; copyright; dbm; fairuse; faq; fascists; freepspeech; freespeech
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To: Publius6961
How many ways can you verbalize simple facts?

Ask the SCOTUS and INS.

Note in particular, this passage:

The contention that the news is abandoned to the public for all purposes when published in the first newspaper is untenable. Abandonment is a question of intent, and the entire organization of the Associated Press negatives such a purpose. The cost of the service would be prohibited if the reward were to be so limited. No single [248 U.S. 215, 241] newspaper, no small group of newspapers, could sustain the expenditure. Indeed, it is one of the most obvious results of defendant's theory that, by permitting indiscriminate publication by anybody and everybody for purposes of profit in competition with the news-gatherer, it would render publication profitless, or so little profitable as in effect to cut off the service by rendering the cost prohibitive in comparison with the return.
IMO--thoughIANAL0--a key difference is that competing with the AP would be a problem, but commenting on aspects of the AP work is covered under fair use.

But of course, the way we have allowed the legal system to get out of control, it becomes difficult for even the fair users to defend themselves.

401 posted on 06/17/2008 9:17:06 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: AppyPappy; AGreatPer
If you really want to screw them, just summarize the article.

And face a lawsuit for that.

402 posted on 06/17/2008 9:18:20 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: xzins

I hope so, because I ain’t the only one posting quite a few AP photos.


403 posted on 06/17/2008 9:24:41 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: DBrow; silent_jonny; Jim Robinson
LATimes allows DU to excerpt or post full articles, but not FR.

Look back in time and see what Stalin did. These are Stalinist tactics.

Actually, they are Adam Smith tactics, too. The LA Times has every right to allow their work to be used by some and not others, and Jim has every right to not use the AP work. (BTW, when I ran newspapers, they were not AP members, nor did we follow AP style...and that split infinitive was intentional! :-)

You have every right to start your own chain of cooperating news-gathering organizations, allowing you to report on the news without having to pay the AP for their work.

In fact, bloggers should be rejoicing...after all, we've heard for years now how some dude sitting in his pajamas in Wichita can gather information on the very latest happenings in Waziristan as well as a news organization of primary reporters...so here's the chance to prove it!

(My suspicion is that bloggers and FReepers will soon discover that they excel at commentary, criticism, and fact-checking, but not at primary reporting.)

404 posted on 06/17/2008 9:30:58 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I do not plan to post anything, but if I do, I promise not to post AP stuff.


405 posted on 06/17/2008 9:32:25 PM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: xzins

“Four words” is not a new concept.


406 posted on 06/17/2008 9:33:01 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

It’s pretty hard to claim ownership of such things as:

The president was hospitalized......

The Pentagon announced today....

The Pope stood before....

The Boston Red Sox won.....


407 posted on 06/17/2008 9:40:01 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: xzins

I wasn’t implying that the law has remained the same since the 1918 ruling. I was merely pointing out that there are issues that many seem to be forgetting.


408 posted on 06/17/2008 9:49:15 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring; Jim Robinson

Hey, did you see this: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2032646/posts

It looks like God takes care of the Irish and the Robinsons.

There’ll probably be more folks clamoring for original stories than just regurgitated AP stuff.


409 posted on 06/17/2008 9:55:12 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: xzins
Oops...you were referring to the "four words." This is commonly used for plagiarism considerations.

But note also that this whole business is probably about more than just bloggers. I think it's in part the result of the Google News issue, and with member papers trying to get more of a local focus and using less AP content, with some papers deciding to drop membership. The AP is trying to hold onto revenue in a changing market.

Frankly, I'm very surprised more sites having fought back against FReepers mooching their bandwidth for photos, etc.

410 posted on 06/17/2008 9:56:58 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: xzins

LOL! I was just making the same point. GMTA, it seems! :-)


411 posted on 06/17/2008 9:58:04 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: SF Republican
It would appear here that people want the product AP produces for free and are busy whining because they have to pay for someones work.

You are more than welcome to send the AP $12.50 per every five words you read of any AP article. Someone posted their address above, so have at it.

412 posted on 06/17/2008 10:01:56 PM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: glock rocks

BTTT for some poking fun at They Who Shall Not Be Named.

Thanks for the link!!!


413 posted on 06/17/2008 10:19:52 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Typical Whitey Gramma just like Obamies!)
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To: Jim Robinson

**on any blogger who quotes more than 4 words **

This sounds like Gannett.

Can we post the link? Or just forget about AP altogether?


414 posted on 06/17/2008 10:29:16 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Jim Robinson

This will not stand. (Their attitude, I mean, not yours!) AP should realize that it is in their interest to be widely read. Oh, well... their loss. Literally. We’re behind you 100 percent, Jim!


415 posted on 06/17/2008 10:53:23 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (Sweet-talking Socialist Obama will trash the USA for the next 30 years. Vote McCain!)
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To: Dog Gone; Jim Robinson
I want to know how you can even paraphrase an AP article without using five words in a row that appeared in the article.

“President Bush said today” is four. If you add “that...”

How about this:

The Associated Press today quoted President Bush...
Which brings up another question. If the Associated Press quotes somebody, do they own the quote? Wouldn't those quotes rightly belong to that person?
416 posted on 06/17/2008 11:34:29 PM PDT by jellybean (Write in Fred! - Proud Ann-droid and a Steyn-aholic)
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To: Jim Robinson

The majority of national and international articles are either written by Reuters or the AP. I guess soon they will charge to link to their articles as it steals bandwidth.


417 posted on 06/18/2008 12:27:16 AM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: Jim Robinson

OK Jim, will do - AP stories are just that anyway, just stories mostly.
Is there any way we can jettison AP stories just for fun?


418 posted on 06/18/2008 1:35:49 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: milford421; DAVEY CROCKETT; Velveeta

Ping.


419 posted on 06/18/2008 3:30:02 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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To: Jim Robinson

Pardon if this has been asked and answered, but...is it legal for AP to charge more to some “consumers” than to others?


420 posted on 06/18/2008 3:35:29 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Teach your child to be an American. Take him out of public school.)
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