We're not going to pay AP's extortion fees and we're not going to allow them to control free speech!

Recent AP vs fair use threads ^ | June 17, 2008 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

This is our Boston tea Party.

The Associated Press wants to levy a $12.50 and up license fee (aka extortion fee) on any blogger who quotes more than 4 words from one of their propaganda pieces. This is an outrageous attempt to control the blogosphere and free speech itself. To hell with their license fee and to hell with the AP. Any AP article that gets posted to FR will be jettisoned into the harbor posthaste.

Please do not post any AP material to FR excerpted or not.

[Dog Gone]

Google is still posting and excerpting AP stories. I’ve heard no reports of them paying AP for doing so.

They’ve fought similar claims in the past from european news sources.

[NoGrayZone]

Hmmmm, another missing piece to the stupid pinko left puzzle...

I'm simply mystified regarding AP’s new “rulz”. Well, I kinda know now why they're doing it (fake messiah, golden cow, hint hint). Very curious as to how this will play out.

[smithone]

How do they prove a string of 5 words came from their work?

They can't, but blogs and sites like FR do not have the financial resources to prove otherwise if AP decides to sue them.

[glock rocks]

Jim, maybe time to rethink the rules about posting >>the exact title<< to an article, and (maybe - therefore) the definition of a vanity. None of this AP horse pile says we can't challenge their marxist views and methods. It just says we can't quote em.

Well, a link to them isn't a quote, and a fairly representative title to a post won't be a quote. We posters might could benefit from some thoughtful leeway by the mods in this respect in this election season, no?

[ThePythonicCow]

Google is still posting and excerpting AP stories.

Yeah -- the AP won't stop Google.

I doubt that will matter to the rest of us, however. Unless the AP is a complete idiot, they won't escalate this matter with Google to the point of making it a decisive ruling on the legality of their overall plan to "rent words."

[ClancyJ]

Why even post a link - other than to give full understanding of what you were talking about.

I suggest in the future we have a code word for ap so that there is no reference that we are referring to their article. Maybe BQ or anything other than AP. Then maybe the link - but why should we give them any recognition at all. Don’t want to have them trying to levy fees you know.

[txhurl]

Can we post articles from the International Herald Tribune? Found a good one on Michelle.

[glock rocks]

Yah, like they’d never figure out our code word. How bout Ass Press?

[STARWISE]

Is it then time for the Patriot News Group?

[adversarial]

The only way to force the price down is to subsidize it.

Your right, I'm an electrician and after I wire a house...I want to be paid everytime they turn on the lights.

[glock rocks]

LMAO... check this out. (only 5M hits.)

[NoGrayZone]

“Why even post a link - “

Because anytime I’ve ever posted anything without a link, people have asked for one. It’s only natural for people to want to see what you’re referring to....hense the “intranet”.

[smithone]

How about this, posted with no link, no quotes, no author or title?
“I read an article from the AP today that alleged that (fill in the blank).” How can that be challenged? Will they sue us for that?

[NoGrayZone]

"Your right, I'm an electrician and after I wire a house...I want to be paid everytime they turn on the lights.

ABSOLUTELY FREAKIN CLASSIC!!!

[luvie]

You go, guy!

That is Marxism/communism/socialism all rolled into one!

I think we can survive without them!....but THEY can’t survive
without we, the people!

If AP says something and no one listens, did they really say it?

[Dog Gone]

The AP won't be able to enforce this. They have SO stepped over the line of what "fair use" is that they'll get clobbered by anyone who refuses to submit to their extortion.

And how hypocritical are they themselves going to be? If they want to write a movie review of The Bridges of Madison County, are they going to note that the book is copyrighted and send a check because the title is five words long?

This is nonsense. No court, even the stupid 9th Circus, is going to put up with this crap.

[ThePythonicCow]

Jim - should the FR Excerpt and Link Only list be updated to state that the AP is forbidden?

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txflake wrote:

Can we post articles from the International Herald Tribune?

According to the official FR list Updated FR Excerpt and Link Only or Deny Posting List due to Copyright Complaints, the International Herald Tribune (iht.com) is a site that must be excerpted and linked only.

[ClancyJ]

Wait —— we cannot use “AP” in any form. We would use any code word (I wouldn’t care that they broke the code - it is still not “saying” AP).

Let them find out that many will totally shut them out of their use if they have the gall to try and milk us or shut us down.

I like the idea someone above mentioned - “It is known” that xxxxxxxxxx (or something like that) then discuss what is “known” but the AP is not in the least involved because all read material becomes public knowledge - we don’t need to quote it.

[ThePythonicCow]

No court, even the stupid 9th Circus

I fear to bet any money on the limits of the 9th Circus Court's stupidity.

[STARWISE]

A hornet’s nest has been stirred, it seems .. ;) Dinosaur media wants overlord status for this election .... BAD.

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