Posted on 06/13/2008 12:09:36 PM PDT by DCRoush
John McCain said Friday that the Supreme Court ruling on Guantanamo Bay detainees is “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.” The presumptive GOP nominee said the decision, a 5-4 ruling Thursday that determined Guantanamo detainees have the right to seek release in civilian courts, would lead to a wave of frivolous challenges. “We are now going to have the courts flooded with so-called … habeas corpus suits against the government, whether it be about the diet, whether it be about the reading material. And we are going to be bollixed up in a way that is terribly unfortunate because we need to go ahead and adjudicate these cases,” he said at a town hall meeting in New Jersey. McCain said he has worked hard to ensure the U.S. military does not torture prisoners but that the detainees at Guantanamo are still “enemy combatants.” “These are people who are not citizens. They do not and never have been given the rights that citizens in this country have,” he said. “Now, my friends, there are some bad people down there. There are some bad people.” Barack Obama released a statement Thursday saying the Supreme Court decision “ensures that we can protect our nation and bring terrorists to justice while also protecting our core values.” “The Court’s decision is a rejection of the Bush administration’s attempt to create a legal black hole at Guantanamo - yet another failed policy supported by John McCain,” he said. “This is an important step toward re-establishing our credibility as a nation committed to the rule of law and rejecting a false choice between fighting terrorism and respecting habeas corpus.”
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Disagree with me if you want but stop twisting my words.
“Not true.”
Yes it is. They were hanged after a military commision found them guilty, all within the U.S.
“All German POWs were not hanged and they had access to federal courts.”
No they didn’t. They were tried by a military commision and hanged. They never had access to the federal courts.
“Now it does not have to be granted.”
First you claim that the US Constitution grants this right. Now you claim otherwise.
“Not it wasn’t. it was a traditional Navy base. “
Yes it was. Gitmo has existed since 1898.
“Re: your other question, I do not have a dog in the hunt.”
Yeah, sure you don’t. *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*
That doesn't even represent 10% of my links or the other guy's links. Honesty isn't in your repertoire is it?
Do you expect to be taken seriously?
You can take it and do whatever you want with it. I get posts and FReepmails thanking me for it every time I post it.
“No, I did not say that.”
Yes you did, you claimed that we will remain in Iraq even if Obama wins. This contradicts both his spoken words and his voting record, which would have had us withdrawn months ago. Now you are apparently saying that we will still remain in Iraq if Obama win, because McCain will likely win, which doesn’t even make any sense. Look at your statement:
[Your problem is that you think he will be making the decisions if he’s the President. Which he won’t because that dishonorable POS McCain will likely win.]
It’s contradictory.
If Obama wins we (the U.S.) will stay in Iraq whether Obama likes it or not. But McCain will likely win. Two separate statements. I didn't think they needed to be spelled out with bullet points.
“First you claim that the US Constitution grants this right. Now you claim otherwise.”
You are as stupid as your looser of a candidate.
The Constitution grants the right of the Writ. The judge does not have to issue release. As in the case of POWs in the US which had access to federal courts which sent the trials back to the military commission. Every person detained on US Territory has the right to go to federal court and file a Writ of Habeas Corpus. Read the citation I sent you. You can read?
The good thing about you when it comes to election day you will have supported a looser or will regret it anyhow. Supporting McCain is loose loose.
“Honesty isn’t in your repertoire is it?”
If that were true, I’d be spending hours and hours compiling lists of links with clipped, out of context videos attacking McCain, running around thread after thread casting personal attacks against McCain and his supporters, and attempting to portray Obama as someone who wants to win in Iraq, all the while claiming that I don’t care who wins in the general election.
“I get posts and FReepmails thanking me for it every time I post it.”
lol
“Your history stinks.”
Speaking of history, what’s Obama’s voting history as it relates to Iraq?
“(Google Guantanamo Bay, it refutes your every word)”
No it doesn’t.
“If Obama wins we (the U.S.) will stay in Iraq”
This is a 180 degree turn from his consistant stance of retreat and defeat. He has repeatedly voted against funding the troops, sponsored legislation that would have had them withdrawn months ago, and he could easliy veto any funding for the troops if he becomes POTUS. He has repeatedly blamed the violence in Iraq on U.S. troop presense, and has said he will meet with Amanidijad without preconditions. And now you expect conservatives to believe he will suddenly support our strategy in Iraq, if he becomes President?
“You are as stupid..”
Keep in mind that every time you resort to personal attacks, there is a right-wing partisan at the other end laughing at you.
“As in the case of POWs in the US which had access to federal courts”
Wrong. They were tried by a military commision and hanged. They never had access to the federal courts.
“The good thing about you when it comes to election day..”
I think the reason you’re a bit grumpy is the fact that the Democratic Party was stupid enough to elect a far-left candidate that probably won’t do very well in the general.
““You are as stupid..””
I repeat you are stupid.
The recent SCOTUS decision (READ IT) gave detainees in GITMO the right to file a Writ for Habeas Corpus because they ruled Camp Delta was de facto US Territory. If the the detainees in GITMO would have been transferred to the US as McCain wanted there would not have had to be the ruling because they would have the right to file a Writ of Habeas Corpus. The POWs in the United States most certainly had the right to file in federal court but the judge sends it back. If they would have had a sympothetic judge they could have been freed.
Your argument is that people can be detained inside the United States without the right to go to Federal court and demand a release. The judge does not have to grant it but he could. If the detainees (before the last decision) were kept in GITMO they did not have the right even to petition.
Read the links I gave you and this one.
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/07pdf/06-1195.pdf
If you read this you will discover that the point the majority made was that GITMO is de facto US Territory. The ruling was not that the detainees get special priviledges the ruling is they get treated as if they were CONUS.
Quit being so stubborn and read,
BTW, your tactics are not going to hurt your mission of getting Obama elected.
Well the Dems have nominated a lib which reflects the parties orientation. The GOP nominated a Lib also. That is funny.
“The POWs in the United States most certainly had the right to file in federal court but the judge sends it back.”
False. They were tried before a military commision and hanged. They never had access to the federal courts.
“hurt your mission of getting Obama elected.”
I think you have me confused with yourself. I’m voting for McCain. And your personal attacks aren’t going to get me to change my vote.
Yes, and the GOP has made a great mistake by throwing the conservative Republicans under the bus and expecting them to vote for someone that does not represent them. They are turning away from McCain in droves.
Running an anti McCain poll on an anti McCain site is really quite silly, wouldn’t you agree?
This is not an "anti McCain" site. Also the poll wasn't an "anti McCain poll." Read the question again and don't spin it.
Go to the FR front page and read the founders statement to find out what FR is all about before declaring your flawed (an anti McCain site) interpretation.
Actually I think people like you who are so rabidly against the anti Obama candidate may be “sleeper” trolls.
There's the problem. McCain isn't a Pro-conservative candidate, he is the anti Obama candidate.
If you don’t think FR is an anti McCain site then you live in the Bizzaro World.
Sure, if you want to deal with the description on that level, fine.
Free Republic is an anti-liberal, pro-freespeach, anti-big government, anti-illegal invaders, anti-Ginsberg/Breyer, anti-rino, anti-open borders, anti-CFR site.
Oh, and politics is quite the bizzaro world these days so I do live there. It helps the understanding of the process.
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