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1 posted on 06/13/2008 12:02:30 PM PDT by Red Badger
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H2O car Ping!...........


2 posted on 06/13/2008 12:03:14 PM PDT by Red Badger (NOBODY MOVE!!!!.......I dropped me brain............................)
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According to Genepax, the main feature of the new system is that it uses the company's membrane electrode assembly (MEA), which contains a material capable of breaking down water into hydrogen and oxygen through a chemical reaction.

Why didn't somebody tell me that the Second Law of Thermodynamics had been repealed?

3 posted on 06/13/2008 12:09:08 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Code Pink should guard against creating stereotypes in the Mincing Community." --Titan Magroyne)
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Somewhat reminiscent of John Galt’s engine which extracts static electricity from the air.


6 posted on 06/13/2008 12:15:52 PM PDT by Brilliant
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Whoever wrote the article seems to believe in perpetual motion, or they’re a shyster, or else they’d have answered “the question.”


7 posted on 06/13/2008 12:16:06 PM PDT by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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The distinct advantage over solar is that you can guarantee the input and therefore the output.


12 posted on 06/13/2008 12:17:56 PM PDT by PORD (People...Of Right Do)
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Looks to me like another serving of Rainbow Stew".

Or what some call:

"Is "Pie in the Sky" as tasty as "Floor Pie?


18 posted on 06/13/2008 12:20:17 PM PDT by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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one horsepower = 745 watts.

So this cell (300W) will produce less than half a horsepower. Yes... I can see the potentional in powering slot cars...


19 posted on 06/13/2008 12:21:39 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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Unfortunately, since the system is Japanese, it attracts monsters bent upon destroying Tokyo whenever it’s turned on. It’s a good idea, in theory, but falls short in actual application.


21 posted on 06/13/2008 12:22:12 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment: It's not about sporting goods.)
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So, how about a little "back of the envelope" math here.

From the picture, it appears that a one cubic foot power device generates 120 watts.

120 watts = 0.16 HP.

A one cubic foot gasoline engine, if you don't include all the air filters, exhaust piping, etc. probably could generate 15-25 HP. Like a "typical" riding lawnmower engine.

So then, the energy density as compared to a gasoline engine is, broadly - about a ratio of 100:1.

So to buy a car with a 200 HP engine of this type would take an engine 100 TIMES LARGER than your current gasoline engine.

Get back with me when this can be mass produced AND they can also shrink it by about a factor of 50. That might actually be possible some day. Right now, it's a laboratory anomaly that they appear to be using to power a golf cart.

23 posted on 06/13/2008 12:24:53 PM PDT by willgolfforfood
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“300W generation system mounted in a luggage room “

That won’t even power the subwoofers.


25 posted on 06/13/2008 12:25:26 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all pesters)
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Well, if I can sell enough of MY invention, I'll maybe buy one of those "water cars"....(or maybe they'll trade me straight-up for one..)

DVD Rewinder

28 posted on 06/13/2008 12:25:51 PM PDT by musicman
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Not this crap again... :-/

As Slings and Arrows points out, the energy comes from the electrode assembly material, which is used as consumable fuel. Water is not the energy source here. It is thermodynamically impossible to break water into hydrogen and oxygen and then get a net energy gain by reacting the hydrogen with oxygen in the air.

33 posted on 06/13/2008 12:27:46 PM PDT by NMR Guy
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Someone should find a way to harness the hot air that comes out of Washington.


35 posted on 06/13/2008 12:29:45 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Ask me again tomorrow.)
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746 watts = 1 horsepower

300W is then .4 Hp
A 300 hp truck would then need 750 of these systems
A 150 hp van / car would need 375 of these systems

That might get a tad expensive.


39 posted on 06/13/2008 12:31:05 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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Water—despite the flooding in the Midwest-— IS NOT in abundant supply in the western half og the country.
Are we going to deny the use of water to grow our food so that the water can be used for fuel?

The Ethanol debacle is really hitting the skids, IMO, with the flooding and hail and heavy rain ruining the corn crop in about 7 states that are high in corn production. There will be no or very little crop of corn this year, and with any surface crop that is subject to Mother Nature, it is an uncertain source for fuel or food each and every year. Where are the Ethanol refineries going to get their raw materials this year???


50 posted on 06/13/2008 12:52:24 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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The cheers from the Left/enviros for developments like this one will be muted and short lived because their “concern” for the environment is but a smoke screen for their real desire to decrease the power and prosperity of the average middle class person in the US.
52 posted on 06/13/2008 12:54:34 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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How much power does it take to produce the fuel electrode? If it’s more than the unit puts out, they’ve invented a “perpetual backwards machine”.


53 posted on 06/13/2008 12:58:09 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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120W. Just enough to run my two desk lamps!


65 posted on 06/13/2008 2:25:23 PM PDT by george123
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Everything after the MEA can be ignored until the MEA itself is explained.


68 posted on 06/13/2008 2:47:57 PM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto each and every beer)
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Sounds like the ideal solution to the Man-Made Global Warming Problem


69 posted on 06/13/2008 3:56:49 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Society is well governed when the people obey the magistrates, and the magistrates obey the law)
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