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To: Red Badger
According to Genepax, the main feature of the new system is that it uses the company's membrane electrode assembly (MEA), which contains a material capable of breaking down water into hydrogen and oxygen through a chemical reaction.

Why didn't somebody tell me that the Second Law of Thermodynamics had been repealed?

3 posted on 06/13/2008 12:09:08 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Code Pink should guard against creating stereotypes in the Mincing Community." --Titan Magroyne)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Let me hide plates of pure copper and zinc in a box and I'll turn water into hydrogen and oxygen through a "chemical reaction". Just don't look in my box or ask my what chemical changes have happened to my copper and zinc.
4 posted on 06/13/2008 12:13:55 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (the Clinton dream of being a two impeachment family goes right down the drain. - Letterman)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Why didn't somebody tell me that the Second Law of Thermodynamics had been repealed?

It happened yesterday. 5-4 decision by the Supreme Court.

5 posted on 06/13/2008 12:15:01 PM PDT by keat (What I wouldn't give for a nice pair of Moccasocks.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Add small Otto engine, when supplied with the “material” us laymen call gasoline, can be used to power a “electrode assembly” to break down hydogen and oxygen from water. :)


9 posted on 06/13/2008 12:17:29 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Slings and Arrows

Perhaps your law was only a theory, Newton’s Law of Gravity once told us we could not fly, but perhaps not...


11 posted on 06/13/2008 12:17:51 PM PDT by Camel Joe (liberal=socialist=royalist/imperialist pawn=enemy of Freedom)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Why didn't somebody tell me that the Second Law of Thermodynamics had been repealed?

Maybe it wasn't repealed, just put on hiatus for a while.............

13 posted on 06/13/2008 12:18:43 PM PDT by Red Badger (NOBODY MOVE!!!!.......I dropped me brain............................)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Exactly! First the HHO scam, now this. It must be the multidimensional flux capacitor that does not actually violate the second law of thermodynamics, it just steps around it (sarcasm off)


16 posted on 06/13/2008 12:19:56 PM PDT by fuente
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To: Slings and Arrows

>>Why didn’t somebody tell me that the Second Law of Thermodynamics had been repealed?

You beat me to it.

There are some words of wisdom at the link (requires sound):

http://tinyurl.com/6m5h8q


29 posted on 06/13/2008 12:25:58 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (<===Non-bitter, Gun-totin', Typical White American)
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To: Slings and Arrows; All

A common misperception about electrolysis (likely the process in this system) is that energy is being created.

Water being a molecule has energy stored in its very structure—actually more energy per gallon than a gallon of gasoline.

While the process of releasing that energy stored in water does require energy—and traditional electrolytic methods are notoriously inefficient, there is no reason why, with the proper technology, efficiency can not be reached to release more of the energy stored in water than it takes to “crack” that energy (the hydrogen) out of it.

This is not therefore any violation of the law of thermodynamics—since no energy is being created or added to the whole equation, only released—following standard laws of physics—from storage.

In the same way that a woodstove releases more energy than it is requred to feed it—since the energy is released from the burning wood, so too water, like any chemical, can, theoretically release more of it’s energy than it takes to “feed” the reaction(s) it takes to release it.

I believe hydrogen derived from water, be it in onboard, on demand systems (such as this) or in micro-plants-at-the-filling-station, will be the fuel of the future.

And high oil prices will push the market that direction!

No less than BMW already has a practical hydrogen powered car—and a practical onboard system (if this Japanese invention is not it) cracking water, is not far away.


42 posted on 06/13/2008 12:35:06 PM PDT by AnalogReigns ( Quinque Solor!)
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To: Slings and Arrows

You know you can’t trust laws passed by a bunch of dead white men!
barbra ann


57 posted on 06/13/2008 1:12:18 PM PDT by barb-tex ( A prudent man (more so for a woman) foreseeth the evil and hideth him self,)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Why didn't somebody tell me that the Second Law of Thermodynamics had been repealed?

Congress may repeal the Second Law of Thermodynamics; it nearly repealed the economic law of supply and demand; raising gasoline taxes to lower gasoline prices!

60 posted on 06/13/2008 1:22:03 PM PDT by ricks_place
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To: Slings and Arrows
Why didn't somebody tell me that the Second Law of Thermodynamics had been repealed

You got it! Entropy rules the day. Gibbs Free Energy tells you how much you got.

Perhaps you would like to look at my perpetual motion generator. It is a fan driven generator. The span of the fan is equal to the distance between the Senate Chamber and the House Chamber of the Capitol Building. As a matter of fact I have mounted it there. There seems to be an endless supply of hot air and high velocity bovine feces ejected from the building. It supplies as much power as the warp drive on the Starship Enterprise.

79 posted on 06/15/2008 8:48:34 AM PDT by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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