Daily Kos posts copy of Obama's birth certification

Hot Air ^ | 6/12/2008 | Allahpundit

[Oyarsa]

No word of how he got it-Team Barry isn't actually leaking to dKos, is it?-and naturally he misunderstands Jim Geraghty's point about Obama's place of birth, which would have been relevant not with respect to his "Americanness" but whether he was constitutionally qualified to run as a natural-born citizen. But here it is.

Update: Not that it matters for purposes of addressing Geraghty's concerns, but Flip notes that the posted document is a certification of birth, which is slightly different from a birth certificate.

[usmcobra]

It’s on his website now, under fighting smears.

[x]

I’m sure they did (ask for race in the early 1960s), all states did. Asking about race became very un-political correct in the ‘70s. Same with me, my BC has race, my children (born in 1980s) don’t.

In Hawaii, there are some advantages to being of native ancestry. It's possible that Hawaii kept or brought back the racial information for that reason, but apparently not.

I guess that's the problem with such computer generated documents -- are you getting the categories of information that were required then or those which are registered now?

I don't think there's any conspiracy involved, but it would have been more useful to release a xerox of the original register entry rather than a document that may not give out all the information that was taken down at the time.

[AmericaUnited]

I’d bet a years salary his original shows it –and that is why they won’t release it.

Because it orinally showed WHITE, and Barry had it changed later so he could get his fair share of affirmative action goodies.

[Lurking in Kansas]

Yes, I did clink the link. Thank you, yes, I know what the requirements are.

Like I statedn I'm not 100% sure unless I'm holding said document in my hot little hands.

Your opinions may vary.

[Spunky]

"§338-17.7 Establishment of new certificates of birth, when. ...

I see you left off when a new certificate could be issued

"(b) When a new certificate of birth is established under this section, it shall be substituted for the original certificate of birth. Thereafter, the original certificate and the evidence supporting the preparation of the new certificate shall be sealed and filed. Such sealed document shall be opened only by an order of a court of record."

I am quite sure this whole section refers to adoption or a change of name, but since you left off the when we can't see that part of it unless we go search ourselves. :-(

[txhurl]

I've seen the extensive photos taken of Obama from the day he was able to walk. There was no lack of sentiment in documenting his life. Maybe he doesn't understand: we're looking for the hospital birth certificate to answer any questions we have.

Not flagrant photoshops.

[aruanan]

Why would someone who wasn’t American be identified as a “black American”, “Afro-American” or “African American”? Also, I am looking at application for this focus group in my building, and under Ethnicity the choices are: Caucasian, Hispanic, Asian, African, Other.

You didn't read carefully enough. I was talking about which terms were in use when. In 1961, a black father would have been described as "Negro." If they were referring to nationality (which birth certificates usually do not do), they would have mentioned a country, not a continent. Besides, the ridiculous inaccuracy of using "African" to mean "black" would have to wait until the more modern age.

As far as some who is not American being described as African American goes, remember the story not too long ago about the exhibition of a South African photographer in which the subjects of his photography, black South Africans, were described by the university as "African American South Africans"? There's all sorts of idiocy out there, but I'm not contributing to it.

[RetSignman]

[embossed or pressed seal on it]

Exactly right, I had to request a copy of my birth certificate some years ago and it had an embossed stamp on it.

[Spunky]

"BINGO!!"

I disagree. See my posting at #165

[Brilliant]

It doesn’t seem logical that Daily Kos would be the first to get it.

[bvw]

I’d assume that the document is an official release by some Hawaiian State Record office. Yet it is not a birth certificate. It’s a substitute record of birth.

And there are curiosities even in this — what is “African” as a race? It has no meaning. Berber? Egyptian? Copt? South African Afrikaner? Lybian? Moroccan? Zulu? Bushman? Why specify — in an official document — “African”?

Also, is there an official seal? An embossed stamp? I mean even my official college transcripts had to have an embossed stamp to be used for official purposes. I don’t understand what *official* purpose such a birth record fills.

[aruanan]

It also wasn't clear in 1961 whether the parts of British East Africa would become independent separately, or stick together (as Tanganyika and Zanzibar did to form Tanzania).

Ah, anachronism raises its ugly head again. Thanks.

[AmericaUnited]

I did post the whole thing once...

[aruanan]

It leaves out a huge amount of information that the actual birth certificate has.

I don't know. I've never seen a Hawaiian birth certificate before. Have you?

Let's ask Aurorales.

[txhurl]

Biglook, too.

[ncfool]

Write to the Hawaiian GOP and ask them for a copy of a real Certified copy from 2007 and one from 1961. They should be able to settle this issue.

SOMEBODY JUST CALL THE HAWAII REPUBLICAN PARTY AND ASK THEM TO REVIEW THIS THREAD......

Why doesn’t somebody contact the Hawaii Republican party at their email address and ask what a legitimate Birth Certificate looked like in 1961.

They can also tell us or show us what the form looks like in when the copy posted on the KOS site looked like.

I’m at work so I can’t email or call right now.

Here is the contact information. The Gov of Hawaii is a Republican.

headquarters@gophawaii.com

Call us at
(808) 593-8180

http://www.gophawaii.com/index.html

[aruanan]

Interesting that in that speech, he uses Negro as a formal noun over 13 times but “black” only as an adjective. He had the rhetorical sense to know that “little black children” and “little white children” sounds far better than “little Negro children” and “little Caucasian children.”

[mnehring]

Zoom to about 200% and look at the bottom.
Rev 11/01 LASER

However, this is a legal record. That looks like others I’ve seen when requesting current copies. Also on the bottom it states: This copy serves as a prima facle evidence of the fact of the birth in any court proceeding. HRS 338-13b.

Now can we move on to issue differences instead of playing these games. I am sure Barry Obama is loving our side being distracted with these things.

[meyer]

This document isn't a birth certificate. It's a certification of birth, I'm looking at my certification of birth right now, and it doesnt show race...... but my birth certificate does.

My birth certificate, dated 1959, is much different. But, it's original issue. It has spaces for "Color or Race" for both mother and father. In those days, it would be "White" or "Black", not Caucasian and African.

There's a great deal more information - place of birth, residence of Mother, and various signatures including the signature of the attending doctor and the registrar.

I don't know enough about these things to say whether this is acceptable or not, but I can say with certainty that it's not an original 1961 document.

[lonevoice]

This needs to stop, it makes FR posters look like idiots, we need to stop beating this dead horse.

Yes it does need to stop, yes it makes FR posters look like idiots. No, they're not going to stop beating this dead horse. Which raises the inevitable suspicion that some of them don't just look like idiots, but, in fact, are actual idiots.