Posted on 06/12/2008 12:30:50 PM PDT by pissant
Daily Kos has obtained a copy of Obama's "certification of live birth."
All of the information is what we have been told before - name, birth date, etc.. His mother's race is listed as "Caucasian," his father as "African." No middle name of Muhammad, no first name of "Barry," no last name of "Dunham." He's listed as "Barack Hussein Obama II," not "Jr."
(Interestingly, in the lower right hand corner is the backwards reflection of a stamp, "June 6 or G, 2007". Did someone request or process this record about a year ago?)
Site creator Markos Moulitsas mentions in the comments the campaign released it to him.
(Also, for astrologers, the time of birth was 7:24 p.m.)
Next time you get one of those e-mails suggesting Obama has a different "real name," send people to this post or that document.
UPDATE: I'm getting some, "Jim, this looks modern," e-mail messages. As Ed notes,
When someone requests a validated copy of their birth certificate, they don’t get a photocopy of the original. They get a fresh certificate with a seal showing that it came from the official registrar, in most states. They keep the info in a computer and produced validated copies on request.
This is a validated copy of the birth certificate, with which Obama could get a passport, register to vote, etc etc. It’s perfectly acceptable.
Obama himself probably has a dog-eared yellowing copy in a desk drawer somewhere; this document is what he or someone authorized by him was given by the state out of its records. Barring some vast conspiracy within the Hawaii State Department of Health, there is no reason to think his birth certificate would have any different data.
Where do you get that this is a photocopy of the original? I didn’t see that in the article. And who has been requesting this for more than a year? I’ve tried asking here, and google, and I can’t find anything that says Obama has not provided his birth certificate upon request, except for a couple blogs.
“That is NOT a 1961 document.
I want the original or copy of the original”
Very good point. Remember Dan Rather.
Do not accept this document on its face!
Consider where it is coming from!
Verify!
Questions:
- Did birth certificates actually issued in 1961 look different?
- Did the certificates issued in 1961 contain any _other information_ that is no longer included on “modern” certificates?
- Is it standard procedure in Hawaii for the “filing date” (by registrar) to be FOUR DAYS AFTER the date of birth? Other Hawaiins reading this, can you check your own birth certificates?
- If the answer to the above question is “no”, what circumstances would cause a delay in such registration?
- Why is the “Certificate Number” blacked out? What could that possibly reveal if we were to see it?
Just some thoughts. Feel free to jump in and shoot me down.
- John
Flower shop actually and my name isn’t all that rare. The flower shop which was in MO went out of business shortly afterward. A few years ago, I saw a local flower store with the same name here in TX. I remember telling hubby at the time...”I sure hope this isn’t a Haley’s Comet moment” (Mark Twain reference).
INTREP
If you want to shoot it down, why not contact the State of Hawaii and send them a copy of the jpg, and see if that is indeed the format they would send out.
Wasn’t his mother a US citizen all her life? The children of US citizens, which children are born in the US, are not natural citizens?
Since his name is Barack Hussein Obama, II, rather than Jr., his parents were not married at the time of his birth.
That takes the cake.
Sometimes people use "II" instead of "Jr." because they think it looks classier. And sometimes they do it because the child is being named after the grandfather or an uncle who shares the same name.
And sometimes, people are not as nice and neat about it as we might like them to be. There is one in my own family where the son didn't share the father's middle name, but he was a junior nonetheless and I can assure you he was not a "bastard".
This document "proves" absolutely nothing of the sort.
Well I was speaking in terms of all types of citizenship as in the broad category of either naturalized or natural born.
Further, since he was born in Hawaii he was NOT born abroad, thus the rule you are citing does NOT apply. He was born on US soil (Hawaii was a state at the time) and had at least one parent who was a US citizen at the time. Age of the parent is only a factor when born abroad according to the law at the time.
“Obama’s parent religions are deleted from the Birth certificate. Look at the empty space below mother’s name. Also look at the empty space between father’s name”
As others have mentioned, most birth certificates do not contain information as to the religions of the parents.
The only way to know if Hawaiin birth certificates issued c.1961 contained this information, would be to canvass other Freepers born in Hawaii around that time, and have them examine their own and report thereon.
It’s also possible that if that information _was_ included on birth certificates issued c.1961, that somewhere along the way, the decision was made (by law or otherwise) to _not include_ it on official copies....
- John
It certainly is, look at the bottom left hand corner, it was “REVISED in 11/01”
The form is set for laser printing from a computer after one types in the information into a data base.
All states have Seals on Reproductions. Even my lowly state.
“African is not a race that and the pfony document says in the bottom corner is is laser printed and the lettering is not inconstant with Laser printing, it appears to be photoshopped .
I smell a forgery, is that legal????”
In 1961, the term “African-American” had not entered into the lexicon yet.
Back in 1961, blacks were called “Negroes” (or worse).
In 1961, even the term “black” was not in general usage. Blacks were referred to politely as either “Negro” or “colored”.
Yet this document uses the word “African” to describe the “race” of the father. I’m sensing that who ever “prepared” this document is so young as to think that usage of the word “Negro” is anachronistic, old, perhaps even “racist”. And that the preparer thinks - politically correctly - that the correct race of someone with black skin today is “African-American”.
Thus, whoever prepared this document WANTED to put “African-American” in that space but knew that the father was not American, so he/she simply deleted the “American” portion of the phrase and just entered “African” for race, thinking that was the “correct” designation.
I contend that NO ONE in 1961 would have used “African” to describe the “race” of Obama, Sr.
I contend that this most obvious error (which of course would not appear as an error by a young leftie today) lends heavily towards the evidence that what we are being proffered as a genuine re-issue of Obama’s birth certificate is a fake.
Comments?
- John
Oh dear I sense a Dan Rather moment coming.
My requested birth certificate was a photocopy of the type-written original onto official certificate paper with a stamped seal. But then that wasn't Hawaii.
FWIW, the font is 9 pt Arial, “tracking” in Photoshop set to 50.
This may be a Photoshop job.
Yes, it is — 9 pt. Arial, Photoshop “tracking” set to 50.
Those are JPG artifacts. We should expect to see those in any JPG image.
The DPI or Pixels(dots per inch) are 250 per inch , just enough to be easily manipulated but not show details like the quality of the State seal.
The black in the text as well as in the lines is the same color and clarity as the Obviously cut portion with the certificate number used to be.
On Real documents the black would be a shade of darker gray with a hint of the background color showing through in this case green for a dark green gray.
In Short Dan Rather’s staff did a better job.
“Why is the “Certificate Number” blacked out?
Because then it would be easy to verify that this is bogus...”
Hmmm, good point.
If this be a forgery whoever “prepared” this document had probably had no idea of what the actual “Certificate Number” would have been. What to do?
Answer: Black it out, as if it had been “officially redacted”.
Then, it wouldn’t matter if he/she knew the original number or not....
Just a thought...
- John
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