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Going green means having green to spend
Orlando Sentinel ^ | 6/1/08 | Mike Thomas

Posted on 06/01/2008 5:17:58 PM PDT by Dawnsblood

The dirty secret of the environmental movement is how indifferent it can be to the poor.

Consider the widespread ban on DDT. As environmental groups celebrated the recovery of bald eagles, parents in poor countries buried 20 million children who died from the ensuing malaria outbreak.

Now we see another crisis looming from the fight against global warming. Food riots are breaking out in poor countries as motorists in wealthy countries burn grains and oils in gas tanks.

We are green for one simple reason: We can afford it.

But what if that changes? What if the pain of going green creeps into America's working and middle classes?

People are not starving here. But they are paying a lot more for food out of tight family budgets, with a third of that increase blamed on biofuels. Meanwhile, more and more experts are questioning whether ethanol even reduces greenhouse gas.

Likewise, our restrictions against drilling for oil are becoming harder to justify. Many energy experts predict oil shortages when demand outpaces supply. The market rations gas by price, a system that favors the affluent.

Not only can they afford gas at $5 or more a gallon, they also can afford hybrids. They can afford to live near urban centers.

(Excerpt) Read more at orlandosentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: africa; ddt; enviroment; green

1 posted on 06/01/2008 5:17:58 PM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: Dawnsblood

Good points. People struggling to survive don’t have the time or energy to be worried about their carbon footprints, or how to change their behavior to earn carbon credits.


2 posted on 06/01/2008 5:55:45 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dawnsblood

This is total claptrap from someone who has swallowed vast amounts of the Earth First Kool-aid.

No one can afford $5/gallon gasoline unless they are making over $200,000/annual.
Myself and lots of retired folks are not earning that, nor do we have pensions that pay that.
This is another move to force all of us into “urban centers” and leave the flyover country for the grizzlies and wolves.
Where this dipstick thinks his food is going to come from is a mystery to me. If we don’t like being held hostage to oil producing countries because we refuse to drill in our own backyards, it will get really interesting when the USA is dependent on other countries for their everyday food.
Good Luck, fools.
Problem is that they are dragging down with them those of us who know this is leading to disaster.


3 posted on 06/01/2008 5:58:04 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Dawnsblood

There is no hybrid on the market that will haul cattle and hogs and chickens to market.


4 posted on 06/01/2008 5:59:11 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Dawnsblood

Haven’t you heard? If you can’t be green, then
you should be dead. Both are considered to be green
especially if you are a useless white American male.


5 posted on 06/01/2008 6:05:34 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Dawnsblood
Upper class liberals can live with all the restrictions because they don't pay for the consequences of their policies. Those affect voters who wouldn't vote for them anyway. Yes, its arrogance on display towards the middle and working class.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

6 posted on 06/01/2008 6:14:00 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: ridesthemiles
Have you read the article? The author is attacking the premises of the environmental movement. As he points out, they are essentially advocating a scheme that transfers wealth from the less fortunate to the already affluent. People in America will be footing the bill of the Green Agenda for years to come.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

7 posted on 06/01/2008 6:17:04 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dawnsblood

Hey, if going green is becoming harder to justify, it’s good. It means that the environazis won’t be able to hide behind the “It’s for the good of our children’s future” smokescreen for very long.

Although, considering I’ve heard some envirowhackos declare that they would support genocide if it became necessary, I doubt the hardships would stop those who already buy the GW BS...but they are a minority and will soon be revealed for the lunatics they are.


8 posted on 06/01/2008 7:41:13 PM PDT by RWB Patriot
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To: ridesthemiles

Read much?


9 posted on 06/01/2008 8:14:25 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: Dawnsblood

It’s only an affluent people who have the time and energy to be worried about things like Global Warming and the environment, in addition to how to put food on the table and a roof over their heads.


10 posted on 06/01/2008 8:22:24 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Dawnsblood; Entrepreneur; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Genesis defender; proud_yank; FrPR; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

11 posted on 06/01/2008 11:19:57 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: ridesthemiles
We live in Alaska and keep our thermostat at 60 degrees when it's 40 below. (Right, Obama) We just topped off our heating fuel tanks. It cost us a small fortune that we really couldn't afford, but the price has already gone up! Then there is the issue of transporting food - especially perishables - to Alaska. Will the cost of transportation put food, particularly fresh produce, out of reach? For 50 years our government has catered to environmental lobbyists, placing such onerous restrictions on oil exploration, drilling and refining that we face a future with no forseeable realistic solution.
12 posted on 06/02/2008 12:09:53 AM PDT by ArmyTeach (Live pure, speak true, right wrong and follow The King. (Tennyson))
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I tried selling my “carbon credits” on the local Craigslist to the first gullible person to buy them. The thing is, since gas prices are too high, I’m not even bothering to get a license or a car, and since I live in the inner city, a car is mainly a convenience, not a requirement.

Also, I’m a vegetarian (mostly health reasons) and I mostly eat what’s in my garden during the summertime (Also, for economic reasons). My fictitious carbon footprint is VERY small because of that. So I’m trying to sell my carbon credits to guilty feeling yuppies from the suburbs all so I can make an extra buck.

All in all, I hope one day to find a yuppie that’s dumb enough to buy my carbon credits all for doing what people in the ghetto have been doing for ages, which is riding their bikes, eating things from their garden and hardly eating meat.

But to the other guy: don’t knock city living. If you’re tough enough to deal with the hoodlums, they’ll back down. Deep down inside, they’re wimps. City living isn’t as socialistic as you think. In fact, it’s a good way to learn the rugged individualism that this country’s built on.

When I was broke and I had to do some food shopping. If it wasn’t for me learning how to buy cheap ethnic food that you find in the city, I would always be broke due to grocery bills.


13 posted on 06/02/2008 1:46:14 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (I'm An American Engaged To Another American, we're not a mixed couple.)
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To: ridesthemiles
This is another move to force all of us into “urban centers” and leave the flyover country for the grizzlies and wolves. Where this dipstick thinks his food is going to come from is a mystery to me. If we don’t like being held hostage to oil producing countries because we refuse to drill in our own backyards, it will get really interesting when the USA is dependent on other countries for their everyday food.

In December of 2000, then president Bill Clinton announced that the USA should import its food from Third World countries who could grow it cheaper.

14 posted on 06/02/2008 7:10:26 AM PDT by Verloona Ti
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To: Verloona Ti; ridesthemiles
For some reason, the link in the post above doesn't work-apparently older articles in the archives will allow you to see them once, but if you try to link to them, you get an error. Luckily I still had the article in cache, so here it is :

President Bill Clinton Advocates End of Farming in U.S.

Government Editorial Editorial Keywords: CLINTON, FARMING, DEPENDENCY

Source: Sierra Times

Published: 12-19-00 Author: Al Columbo

Posted on 12/19/2000 09:01:16 PST by oursacredhonor

President Clinton, as a far-left liberal, apparently believes that the United States should be entirely dependent on other countries for essential commodities, such as food. He has worked furiously over the past 8 years to make Americans more dependent on other countries in an assortment of ways. In this Washington Post article, if accurate, he clearly believes that American farmers do not matter, that we should buy our food from farmers who live in other countries (see quote).

Quote: Yesterday, [President Bill Clinton] said a U.S. role was just as necessary in the area of "development," the diplomats' term for aid to poor nations. He called for an "accelerated campaign against global poverty" and said the rich nations must spend more toward that goal. Among much else, he said "the wealthiest countries should end our agricultural subsidies" and buy food instead from Third World farmers who can produce it "more cheaply than we." (Clinton Offers Bit of Advice, T.R. Reid, Washington Post, 12/15/00)

Clinton also said, according to the Washington Post article, that Third World farmers can make it cheaper than we can, which I sincerely question. Not only do I question this statement, but I have serious doubts that Third World farmers could produce enough food to feed both their people and ours!

Something smells and I doubt that it's vegetation.

Let us take a closer look at what dependency of this kind could mean to Americans if another country decided to inflict harm on the United States, as would occur if and when World War III breaks out across the globe.

First, looking back at the historical record, In October 1962, for example, through reconnaissance flights over Cuba we were able to ascertain that the U.S.S.R. (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) were building missile launching sites on the island. Through these facilities they could then launch medium-range and intermediate-range nuclear missiles at the United States.

John F. Kennedy, our 35th president, gave a public ultimatum to the Soviets on 22 October to remove the missiles at once. He then ordered a naval blockade. After about 2 weeks the Soviets backed down and the missile launchers were torn down and removed. The naval blockade worked because it had cut Cuba off from critical shipments of goods. Because Cuba was so dependent on other countries, such as the Soviet Union, they had to bow to Kennedy's threats.

Can you even begin to imagine what would happen if the agricultural markets were to fail and farmers simply cease to exist in the United States? Can you fathom what would take place if we were totally dependent on other countries for our food, as President Bill Clinton suggests we do? Tiny Third World countries would have tremendous power over the big, once proud United States.

"Either do this or do that--or we'll cut off your food shipments!"

The notion of world peace by interdependency may look plausible on its face, but it's only an equation for slavery. What will total dependency on Third World countries do if it were implemented across the globe? It is this author's opinion that it would create a situation where those who possess the majority of assets and money--those who own and control society's means of production and distribution--will have total control over all people and all nations by virtue of full control over the goods that they need.

There are other words for this besides "interdependency." Try SUBJUGATION and ENSLAVEMENT, which eventually become TYRANNY when it reaches upward to the national and global governmental levels.

Communism may appear to have ceased to exist in the former Soviet Union in the 1980s, but those who were behind it are still alive and well, and so is their plan for world dominance. Through the apparent demise of communism, and by redefining terms and presenting socialist concepts in a different manner--so those of us old enough to recall the past threat cannot easily recognize the classic symptoms, they intend to realize their original goal of world dominance through the demise of the free world. Sadly, they have hidden their true nature, their identities, and their very existence from a good number of well meaning people across society.

It's a big, powerful U.S. Government. You and I are very small by comparison so what can we do to prevent the elimination of farming in the United States? Well, we can sit down and write our leaders a letter outlining our concerns with interdependency in this regard. We can call, fax, or e-mail our house representatives at the state and federal levels concerning what president Bill Clinton calls a "new development agenda for the 21st Century."

In closing, don't you think that we, the folks who live out here in the real world, ought to have a lot to say about this? I would suggest that each of us take the time to call, send a letter, fax, or e-mail our House Reps and Senators.

Please, don't let this opportunity to express your concern slip by. Al Columbo

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 Posted on 12/19/2000 09:01:16 PST by oursacredhonor

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(I checked the Sierra Times link in the original article-it's dead too (and so is the site , it seems.)

15 posted on 06/02/2008 7:33:56 AM PDT by Verloona Ti
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