Posted on 05/29/2008 7:51:13 AM PDT by StopBHO
Which is it Barack? Are you a moron or a liar? Or both? On Monday you claimed your Uncle (not further identified) help liberate Auschwitz. Since it was the Soviets who liberated Auschwitz, that left people wondering who your communist uncle was? So your campaign scrambled to get out the word–No, he meant his great uncle and he meant Buchenwald rather than Auschwitz. There, that settled it.
So I have one question–how in the hell did your uncle get to Buchenwald. Was he in a row boat? Looks like Great Uncle Charlie was in the Navy. Service records for Charles Payne show
Charles W. Payne, born 1924, enlisted 10Nov42, Navy, 6293977 Registered, order #12019, Kansas City, Wyandotte Co., Board #4
UPDATE 3 Here’s what we know for sure:
1. No Charles W. Payne enlisted in or was drafted into the Army from Kansas according to extant Kansas records 1941-43.
2. Obama’s grandmother Payne family has not C.T. Payne. Her brother was Charles W. Payne.
3. The C.T. Payne in the 89th who is said by the Kitchell 89th website to have been at the liberation of Buchenwald is not listed joining Army from Kansas 1941-43.
4. Two C.W. Paynes are listed joining Navy in 1942 frm Kansas. Charles .W. Payne born Kansas City Jan 4 1924 and died 2000 is not Obama relative.
4. Charles W. Payne who joined Navy Reno County is the likely suspect.
Still working to get final confirmation. (Is it asking for too much to get a straight, accurate answer from the Obama campaign? I guess so.)
UPDATE II: Well, the initial claim that Charles T. Payne was in the Army may not be true. An Obama supporter is claiming that there is a Charles T. Payne who was in the Army. First problem, a review of records for Kansas shows no such person. Second, this unit was not part of any liberation of Buchenwald. Records indicate:
“Concerning the service of Mr. Charles Payne: C.T. Payne was a soldier in the 89th Infantry Division. He served in the 355th Infantry Regiment, Company K. The 355th Infantry Regiment was the unit to liberate Ohrdruf.” http://www.89infdivww2.org/
This should not be so complicated. Obama’s campaign simply needs to come clean. What was your Great Uncle’s name? When was he born and when did he die? Let’s start there.
So here we have Barack apparently inventing more bullshit family history. Charles T. Payne’s unit did not liberate Buchenwald. Ohrdruf was a work camp–not a pleasant place–but not a death camp. You know what Barack, I suspect you did not have a family member anywhere near a Nazi death camp. I believe you are making this up. Rather than tell the truth straight up you embellish. Why do I think this? Because you have a record of inventing false history. How about this?
Over at Talk Left we learn that you can’t even tell the truth about your Gramps:
In West Virginia a few weeks ago, Obama said his grandfather enlisted the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, which was December, 1941. [Charleston Gazette (West Virginia) April 8, 2008, Tuesday, available on Lexis.com]
“My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.”
Here is the WWII Kansas Veterans Index. His grandfather, Stanley A. Dunham, enlisted in the Army on June 18 1942, six months after Pearl Harbor. [Hat tip Baldilocks.)
We could start down the list of other falsehoods–e.g., your mom and dad met in Selma during a March. You keep doing this. Why?
Barack, how can someone who is supposedly so smart, can be so wrong about family history. These are not mistakes about inconsequential details. What else are you lying about?
OMG...a politician who lies??!!! Who da thunk it.
Or, even if you're not actually lying--about what else are you too stupid to get the facts straight???
It's enough to give everybody the willies! Imagine a nutcase like this trying to establish foreign policy! Negotiate with foreign leaders! Make Supreme Court appointments! Armed with nuclear weapons! Yikes!
I'm getting under the bed. Let me know when this nitwit's no longer running around loose in the political arena!
"As we landed at the local airport today, I had to run from the plane ducking Bosnian sniper bullets until I got into my 50' stretch bullet proof SUV. While running and ducking sniper bullets, I remembered my crazy uncle in the attic, who might have served in WWII, in the Army or maybe the Navy."
Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas will not be known as Honest Abe. Instead he will be known as: Dishonest Ibrahim Hussein ObamaMessiaHamas !
Damn Pajama Media and Internet. I can’t lie anymore!
I'm just going to lock myself in the attic for six months.
Somebody needs to update either their graphics or the stage.
That flag should have more stars.
Everyone knows Barak visited 57 states.
Heck, if he could have visited the other three, that his staff wouldn’t let him visit, we actually have 60.
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http://genealogy.about.com/od/aframertrees/p/obama_three.htm
This Charles T. Payne is in Obama’s family but something tells me that it isn't him that served in WW2.
Let me point out that it is HOT in kansas attics nobody was spending 6 mos in the attic in Ks
I lived in KS for three years (Ft. Riley). I spent very little of that time in my attic.
This website claims CT Payne did serve in the 89th....http://www.89infdivww2.org/
Introduction
Concerning the service of Mr. Charles Payne: C.T. Payne was a soldier in the 89th Infantry Division. He served in the 355th Infantry Regiment, Company K. The 355th Infantry Regiment was the unit to liberate Ohrdruf. Mr. Payne was there.
For those who seek to minimize the horrors of Ohrdruf since it was a ‘work’ camp and not a ‘death’ camp, we have but one word: shame. Ironically, this argument has been made to us time and time again by various Holocaust-deniers and other pro-Nazi groups. We will let the testimony of survivors and veterans speak for themselves.
It has been recorded that in Ordruf itself the last days were a slaughterhouse. We were shot at, beaten and molested. At every turn went on the destruction of the remaining inmates. Indiscriminant criminal behavior (like the murderers of Oklahoma City some days ago). Some days before the first Americans appeared at the gates of Ordruf, the last retreating Nazi guards managed to execute with hand pistols, literally emptying their last bullets on whomever they encountered leaving them bleeding to death as testified by an American of the 37th Tank Battalion Medical section, 10 a.m. April 4, 1945.
Today I’m privileged thanks to G-d and you gallant fighting men. I’m here to reminisce, and reflect, and experience instant recollections of those moments. Those horrible scenes and that special instance when an Allied soldier outstretched his arm to help me up became my re-entrance, my being re-invited into humanity and restoring my inalienable right to a dignified existence as a human being and as a Jew. Something, which was denied me from September 1939 to the day of liberation in 1945. I had no right to live and survived, out of 80 members of my family, the infernal ordeal of Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Ordruf, and its satellite camp Crawinkle and finally Theresinstadt Ghetto-Concentration Camp.
Rabbi Murray Kohn
This website has been created to honor the service of the 89th Infantry Division during the Second World War. The 89th, known as the Rolling W, served with distinction during combat operations in Europe from March-May, 1945.
This website was created by 89th veteran Raymond E. Kitchell and his son Mark R. Kitchell. We are grateful to the contributions of histories, stories and pictures from numerous 89th Infantry veterans and their families, and from the 89th Infantry Division Society.
I liberated Daytona Beach in ‘68!
European countries survived with idiot- actually retarded- kings. Surely we can survive Hussein. surely. surely...(trails off)
Probably both, but he (and all Dems) have gotten away with this behavior for so long, it's second nature to make stuff up as needed.
The media allows it and, sad to say, so do the Republicans.
Here’s some interesting stuff through Yahoo answer after they got done scrubbing it.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080528140326AAlgGUr
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