Posted on 05/27/2008 7:51:39 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
The Supreme Court is meeting to issue opinions and announce whether it has accepted any new cases.
Major cases still undecided include the rights of detainees at Guantanamo Bay, the ban on handguns in Washington, D.C., and whether people convicted of raping children can be given the death penalty.
The court's term ends in late June.
Like your post AND your tag line!
Sorry to come down so hard, but I really just don’t like the P22. My apologies. :)
Replying to the right post?
Nice Ruger 22. A Smith Model 41 would do nicely also.
Alive and kickin'! What do you think was the driving force behind the successful bid to stop Pres Bill's effort at turning the country into an overnight police state using FEMA as the hammer via a secret Executive Order? The Congress got wind before the 90 day review period was up and successfully argued the 10th Amendment to quash the EO.
They barely existed when the Amendment was written if at all. Arms are actually the infantryman's long arm ("Battle Rifle") and firearms had been around for over 300 years and clearly were an evolving technology, up to and including the belt fed weapons of today as suitable for the citizen soldier to own, but not I think grenades or mines. Too problematic in the employment of such devices. Those probably fall under the Letter of Marque mentioned elsewhere in the document.
They’re individual weapons
Letters of Marque then, which probably referred mostly to ships, were armed with crew served weapons, which at that time and for a while after were cannon.
If they intended only for firearms, they would have written that into the Second. But they didn’t, and they preferred us to have “every terrible weapon” of war. Thus, they wrote ‘arms’.
Actually, IMHO the "best" first gun for plinking or target work is the Ruger Super Single Six SA revolver with a 6" bbl and the spare cylinder in 22WMR. That is what I use for the folks to whom I teach the class for the FL ccw permit as we begin our day at the range. From there I work up thru the 9mm, 38sp and if they desire the 40 and 45.
That’s not my weapon. But my uncle who has a class III FFL.
I have fired the mini and my FAV the M1928 Thompson. The mini will set you back about $400,000.00. Whereas the Thompson only about $25,000.00. IF you can find someone who wishes to sell.
Also the mini, takes a few HOURS to load... and then you get about 15 seconds of tree cutting out of it for your effort.
Then you have a shitload of brass to collect and repack.
That’s the rule. You wanna shoot it, you clean up and reload it all.
So, go figure the cost is an ENTIRE WEEKEND of Labor for 15 seconds of out of this world joy !!
= )
Eeeeenteresting...keep me informed.
I understand then those aren’t your guns in the picture?
I have to respectfully disagree. One way to tell is to read the Federalist Papers as well as the Anti-Federalist Papers and the personal documents of the Founding Fathers. Since I teach AP Government, I make it a habit to make my students read all of those and do a written analysis. In a great many of the papers and letters written by the Founders in those times they mention the rifle and sidearm. George Washington himself owned over 50 high quality rifles. Nowhere are the other implements mentioned. Also, I think the term arms would be limited to what an individual infantryman would carry and that one man only. Thus crew served weapons are probably again covered under the letters of marque.
So if it requires more than one person to operate I don't think it falls under the infantryman's TO&E. However an M60 or a SAW can be handled by one man. I know, I've done it. I can set up and fire a Ma Deuce by myself but I can't hump it on my back alone.
Every terrible weapon of war? It is assertions like this that are going to cost us the right totally! Things like that happen when you open your mouth and shoot yourself in the foot .. on full automatic. I'm not trying to be rude here and I apologize in advance if it seems that way, but we have all heard a fellow conservative utter a damning phrase that we just KNOW is going to be misquoted or stretched out of shape by the liberals and that is going to be our undoing. I'm probably guilty of the exact same thing earlier in this thread when I told somebody I favored mounting fore and aft machineguns on cars in NYC. So I'm not immune.
How dead are the Bill of Rights?
| 1st Amendment: | no establishment of religion | 20% dead | Lemon v. Kurtman Test is appropriate though religious fanatics on local level increasingly ignoring the law. |
| 1st Amendment | free exercise of religion | 80% dead | Employment Division v. Smith allows government to regulate religion to enforce a compelling state interest. |
| 1st Amendment | free speech | 70% dead | 5 major areas of exceptions now exist; as well as time, place and manner rules; and special context rules. |
| 1st Amendment | free press | 10% dead | Courts often use gag orders to prevent news coverage of trials. |
| 1st Amendment | right to assemble/petition | 70% dead | HUD Housing efforts |
| 2nd Amendment | right to bear arms | 90% dead | Crime Bill of 1994 banned 19 types of semi-automatic rifles. |
| 3rd Amendment | no quartering of soldiers | 0% dead | |
| 4th Amendment | no searches without warrants | 100% dead | Limited by definition of reasonable expectation of privacy; 11 exceptions to warrant requirement; and United States v. Leon good faith rule. *In 1995, Congress completely obliterated this Amendment. It no longer has any force and effect. |
| 5th Amendment | Grand jury indictment required | 0% dead | * 0%, but grand juries are now usually stacked with pro-prosecution regulars who do not know how to exercise their roles as grand jurists. |
| 5th Amendment | no double jeopardy | 80% dead | The Wheeler and Heath cases allow prosecution by the Feds and multiple states while the Blockburger line of cases allows multiple prosecutions resulting from the same conduct. |
| 5th Amendment | privilege against self-incrimination | 40% dead | The Schmerber and Muniz cases have reduced this protection to only the extremely limited category of testimonial evidence. |
| 5th Amendment | due process | 100% dead | Expanded way beyond original intent to create bureaucratic nightmare. * Made more evident when in 1996, the Supreme Court allowed all regions of government to seize property without any due process and allowed the ignorance of the 'can not take private property without compensation' clause. |
| 6th Amendment | speedy trial | 90% dead | Under Barker v. Wingo Test defendants have been made to wait as long as seven years before trial takes place. |
| 6th Amendment | right to jury (criminal case) | 30% dead | Batson line of cases places rights of jurors over the fair trial rights of defendants. |
| 6th Amendment | confrontation by witnesses | 100% dead | Maryland v. Craig allows witnesses to testify from other rooms or even on videotape without any chance to cross examine. |
| 6th Amendment | right to counsel | 10% dead | Applies only in cases where actual incarceration is imposed. |
| 7th Amendment | right to jury (civil case) | 0% dead | |
| 8th Amendment | no cruel or unusual punishment | 100% dead | Expanded by liberals well beyond its intended meaning, which has resulted in codling criminals. |
| 8th Amendment | no excessive bail or fines | 100% dead | Both excessive fines and bail are regularly used now. |
| 9th Amendment | nondisparagement clause | 100% dead | Expanded by liberals well beyond its intended meaning. |
| 10th Amendment | reserved powers clause | 100% dead | Garcia v. San Antonio Metro Transit Authority killed the 10th Amendment, and all hopes for control over congressional power. |
*editors comments.
**information provided by 'The Rape of the American Constitution', by Chuck Shiver, published by Loompanics Unlimited.
Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
-—Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.
I would imagine he meant “every other terrible implement” to be very broad.
The "individual arms only" theory is commonly bandied about by people insufficiently familiar with RKBA.
There is absolutely NO evidence that the Founding Fathers meant to exclude ANY weapon from the term "arms". Nay, the "Letters of Marque" merely provides written Congressional authorization for one to essentially wage war across international jurisdictions; that the one receiving such permission already owned such massively crew-served arms needed for such an undertaking was a given.
YAY!
Yes. They are mine.
they infringed that in the 30s
I guess the argument for the MG ban is they are too suited for militia purposes..
I owe you an apology. I thought you were the other poster who misidentified those beatiful guns. Sorry.
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