Posted on 05/24/2008 9:04:49 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
The folks at Scientific American are steamed at Ben Stein: (see links):
Ben Stein's Expelled: No Integrity Displayed (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=ben-steins-expelled-review-john-rennie)
Six Things in Expelled That Ben Stein Doesn't Want You to Know...(http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=six-things-ben-stein-doesnt-want-you-to-know)
Stein's controversial movie Expelled links Charles Darwin to Adolf Hitler, the ultimate scientific hero to the ultimate manifestation of human evil. "A shameful antievolution film tries to blame Darwin for the Holocaust," shouts John Rennie's headline. Rennie then declares that its "heavy-handed linkage of modern biology to the Holocaust demands a response for the sake of simple human decency."
The problem is, that the link is quite real. In fact, undeniable. One doesn't need to see the film to make that link. Simply read Charles Darwin's The Descent of Man and Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf.
Darwin's Descent of Man applies the evolutionary arguments of his more famous Origin of Species to human beings. In it, Darwin argues that those characteristics we might think to be specifically humanphysical strength and health, morality, and intelligencewere actually achieved by natural selection. From this, he infers two related eugenic conclusions.
First, if the desirable results of strength, health, morality, and intelligence are caused by natural selection, then we can improve them by artificial selection. We can breed better human beings, even rise above the human to the superhuman. Since human beings have been raised above the other animals by the struggle to survive, they may be raised even higher, transcending human nature to somethingwho knows?as much above men as men are now above the apes. This strange hope rests in Darwin's very rejection of the belief that man is defined by God, for "the fact of his having thus risen" by evolution to where he is, "instead of having been aboriginally placed there" by God, "may give him hopes for a still higher destiny in the distant future."
Second, if good breeding gives us better results, pushing us up the evolutionary slope, then bad or indiscriminate breeding drags us back down. "If various checks do not prevent the reckless, the vicious and otherwise inferior members of society from increasing at a quicker rate than the better class of men," Darwin groaned, "the nation will retrograde, as has occurred too often in the history of the world. We must remember that progress is no invariable rule."
Now to Hitler. The first, most important thing to understand is that the link between Darwin and Hitler was not immediate. That is, nobody is making the case that Hitler had Darwin's eugenic masterpiece The Descent of Man in one hand while he penned Mein Kampf in the other. Darwin's eugenic ideas were spread all over Europe and America, until they were common intellectual coin by Hitler's time. That makes the linkage all the stronger, because we are not talking about one crazed man misreading Darwin but at least two generations of leading scientists and intellectuals drawing the same eugenic conclusions from evolutionary theory as Darwin himself drew.
A second point. We misunderstand Hitler's evil if we reduce it to anti-Semitism. Hitler's anti-Semitism had, of course, multiple causes, including his own warped character. That having been said, Nazism was at heart a racial, that is, a biological political program based up evolutionary theory. It was "applied biology," in the words of deputy party leader of the Nazis, Rudolph Hess, and done for the sake of a perceived greater good, racial purity, that is, for the sake of a race purified of physical and mental defects, imperfections, and racial inferiority.
The greater good. We need to remember that, even though we rightly consider it the apogee of wickedness, the Nazi regime did not purport to do evil. In a monstrous illustration of the adage about good intentions leading to hell, it claimed to be scientific and progressive, to do what hard reason demanded for the ultimate benefit of the human race. Its superhuman acts of inhumanity were carried out for the sake of humanity.
Hitler had enormous sympathy for the downtrodden he witnessed as a young man in Vienna. "The Vienna manual labourers lived in surroundings of appalling misery. I shudder even to-day when I think of the woeful dens in which people dwelt, the night shelters and the slums, and all the tenebrous spectacles of ordure, loathsome filth and wickedness."
He believed that the social problems he witnessed in Vienna needed a radical, even ruthless solution if true change were to be effected. As he says with breathtaking concision, "the sentimental attitude would be the wrong one to adopt."
"Even in those days I already saw that there was a two-fold method by which alone it would be possible to bring about an amelioration of these conditions. This method is: first, to create better fundamental conditions of social development by establishing a profound feeling for social responsibilities among the public; second, to combine this feeling for social responsibilities with a ruthless determination to prune away all excrescences which are incapable of being improved."
The proposed ruthlessness of his solution was in direct imitation of nature conceived according to Darwinism. "Just as Nature concentrates its greatest attention, not to the maintenance of what already exists but on the selective breeding of offspring in order to carry on the species, so in human life also it is less a matter of artificially improving the existing generationwhich, owing to human characteristics, is impossible in ninety-nine cases out of a hundredand more a matter of securing from the very start a better road for future development."
How do we secure a better road for future development? By ensuring that only the best of the best race, the Aryan race, breed, and pruning away all the unfit and racially inferior. That isn't just a theory; it's eugenic Darwinism as a political program. As Hitler made clear, "the State is looked upon only as a means to an end and this end is the conservation of the racial characteristics of mankind." Jews have to be pruned away, but also Gypsies, Slavs, the retarded, handicapped, and any one else that is biologically unfit.
That's Darwinism in action. Does that mean that Darwin would have approved? No. Does that mean that Darwin's theory provided the framework for Hitler's eugenic program? Yes.
The final form has a special air passage leading out the back of the neck with a muscular opening for sealing it off. Having both structures in place seems like a real feat of coordination to me. It would require the opening to show up just as the airway was finding its way out the back of the neck. In the meantime, the airway would've been useless without the opening and the opening would've been useless without the airway. They would've had no reason to exist on their own, so it's like they would have had to anticipate one another. I find it very hard to imagine this occuring through a process that didn't have some capacity to plan and coordinate. I don't see a random selection process, even if it were driven by a prime directive of some sort -- like to maximize reproductive potential -- as being able to accomplish this.
I know this is a fairly standard type of objection. What is the counterargument? How is it that time and time again, evolution has apparently managed to solve problems that, if they were being handled by a person, would require foresight, planning, and coordination? And in the particular case of the blowhole, do they have a theory for how it came about?
Simple answer--they are nasals which have moved over time.
The Origin of Whales and the Power of Independent Evidence, by Raymond Sutera.
Frankly, I doubt that anyone seeing one of these critters walk by today would recognize it as some kind of horse (remember that it's only as big as a dog):
The whale embryo starts off with its nostrils in the usual place for mammals, at the tip of the snout. But during development, the nostrils migrate to their final place at the top of the head to form the blowhole (or blowholes).
Why would that happen if the whale was designed from scratch to have a blowhole?
Ah, so the nasal openings moved around from the front to the top of the head. I can buy that. No need for a miraculous convergence of structures that way.
Strawman. It's not what he said.
Thank you for pointing out that the evolution has occurred.
We all know the drill... If they all looked like horses, of course, you'd be saying "ah, but see...they are all just horses!!"
“And from Mein Kampf:
Originally posted by Adolph Hitler
Any crossing of two beings not at exactly the same level produces a medium between the level of the two parents. [...]”
The whole quote shows Hitler had now idea the theory of evolution is about and how evolution works.
Come now, tell the rest of your story: that the very word "truth" must be expunged from science. For instance, we are not to use the word "true" when speaking about evolutionary science, isn't that so?
Such as the reproductive isolation of the populations of London, Ontario and Dalandzadgad, Mongolia. That's "macro evolution". Why bother with fruit-flies and bacteria when you have the real deal right there? In fact all one has to do to witness "macro evolution" is to ship off some New Yorkers to the Gobi desert, and presto, "macro evolution". You should present these irrefutable examples to all those silly folk who are incredulous of "macro evolution" and watch them succumb to the withering blasts of evolutionary reasoning.
Such as the reproductive isolation of the populations of London, Ontario and Dalandzadgad, Mongolia. That's "macro evolution". Why bother with fruit-flies and bacteria when you have the real deal right there? In fact all one has to do to witness "macro evolution" is to ship off some New Yorkers to the Gobi desert, and presto, "macro evolution". You should present these irrefutable examples to all those silly folk who are incredulous of "macro evolution" and watch them succumb to the withering blasts of evolutionary reasoning.LOL... Learn the difference between necessity and sufficiency and get back to me there genius.
I went to your “about page.” Talk about “birds of a feather flock together.” The connections between later generations of Darwin and Darwin’s associates, on the one hand, with Eugenics, on the other hand, are legion.
It must be some sort of coincidence having nothing to do with Darwin, his theory, or his views. (sarcasm)
Gondring, thanks for the link. I bookmarked it for future reference, making a mental note that much of it at first glance appears to be arguments FOR, rather than evidence OF.
There is an important difference. Liars can make false assertions continually. Those are arguments for, and prove nothing.
I’m pinging a few more to your post and making a note of a couple of useful sites, asking for others.
www.AnswersInGenesis.org
www.ICR.org (Institute of Creation Research)
Like it hasn't?
Like it hasn't?You'd rather be out tending your sheep, waiting to be slaughtered by mongols?
“Darwin made it quite clear that he was not an atheist.”
According to Wikipedia, he was an agnostic.
Don't you realize those are apologetics sites, and that they are not reliable sources for science information? In fact, when it comes to science they will outright lie to you.
The reason is that they can't admit to the findings of science when those findings contradict scripture. They even state specifically that "No apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record." When there is a contradiction they have to come up with some other answer, even if it means distorting science, twisting facts, or outright misrepresentation.
They simply cannot accept a lot of the evidence science has come up with. So, it's fingers in the ears and "I can't hear you!" They are science-deniers; given their beliefs they have to be.
Here is the Statement of Faith found on the Answers in Genesis website. Does this statement sound like it has anything to do with science?
Summary of the AiG Statement of FaithFor a slightly more detailed copy of the Statement of Faith, please make your request in writing.
(A) PRIORITIES
(B) BASICS
- The scientific aspects of creation are important, but are secondary in importance to the proclamation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
- The doctrines of Creator and Creation cannot ultimately be divorced from the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
(C) THEOLOGY
- The 66 books of the Bible are the written Word of God. The Bible is divinely inspired and inerrant throughout. Its assertions are factually true in all the original autographs. It is the supreme authority in everything it teaches.
- The final guide to the interpretation of Scripture is Scripture itself.
- The account of origins presented in Genesis is a simple but factual presentation of actual events and therefore provides a reliable framework for scientific research into the question of the origin and history of life, mankind, the Earth and the universe.
- The various original life forms (kinds), including mankind, were made by direct creative acts of God. The living descendants of any of the original kinds (apart from man) may represent more than one species today, reflecting the genetic potential within the original kind. Only limited biological changes (including mutational deterioration) have occurred naturally within each kind since Creation.
- The great Flood of Genesis was an actual historic event, worldwide (global) in its extent and effect.
- The special creation of Adam (the first man) and Eve (the first woman), and their subsequent fall into sin, is the basis for the necessity of salvation for mankind.
- Death (both physical and spiritual) and bloodshed entered into this world subsequent to and as a direct consequence of man's sin.
(D) GENERAL
- The Godhead is triune: one God, three Persons--God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
- All mankind are sinners, inherently from Adam and individually (by choice) and are therefore subject to GodÕs wrath and condemnation.
- Freedom from the penalty and power of sin is available to man only through the sacrificial death and shed blood of Jesus Christ, and His complete and bodily Resurrection from the dead.
- The Holy Spirit enables the sinner to repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
- The Holy Spirit lives and works in each believer to produce the fruits of righteousness.
- Salvation is a gift received by faith alone in Christ alone and expressed in the individual's repentance, recognition of the death of Christ as full payment for sin, and acceptance of the risen Christ as Saviour, Lord and God.
- All things necessary for our salvation are either expressly set down in Scripture or may be deduced by good and necessary consequence from Scripture.
- Jesus Christ was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary.
- Jesus Christ rose bodily from the dead, ascended to Heaven, and is currently seated at the right hand of God the Father, and shall return in person to this Earth as Judge of the living and the dead.
- Satan is the personal spiritual adversary of both God and man.
- Those who do not believe in Christ are subject to everlasting conscious punishment, but believers enjoy eternal life with God.
- The only legitimate marriage is the joining of one man and one woman. God has commanded that no intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of marriage.
- Scripture teaches a recent origin for man and the whole creation.
- The days in Genesis do not correspond to geologic ages, but are six [6] consecutive twenty-four [24] hour days of Creation.
- The Noachian Flood was a significant geological event and much (but not all) fossiliferous sediment originated at that time.
- The "gap" theory has no basis in Scripture.
- The view, commonly used to evade the implications or the authority of Biblical teaching, that knowledge and/or truth may be divided into "secular" and "religious," is rejected.
- No apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record.
Again, where is the science there?
Where is the commitment to scientific accuracy?
So that the lurkers get an accurate view of what I have posted previously, here it is again.
This is not something I just made up; it is from a CalTech website dealing with physics:
Truth: This is a word best avoided entirely in physics [and science] except when placed in quotes, or with careful qualification. Its colloquial use has so many shades of meaning from it seems to be correct to the absolute truths claimed by religion, that its use causes nothing but misunderstanding. Someone once said "Science seeks proximate (approximate) truths." Others speak of provisional or tentative truths. Certainly science claims no final or absolute truths. Source.
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