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Working classes are less intelligent, says evolution expert

Posted on 05/22/2008 3:07:07 PM PDT by GourmetDan

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To: allmendream
"No YOU apparently believe this. I am a Scientist in Biology (a “evolutionist” to those ignorant and fearful of Science) and I have yet to be convinced by the data."

I showed you multiple times that Dr. Charlon believes this. Here it is again.

"He said: "That is why such obvious scientific truths have not so far been stated clearly, or have actually been denied."

According to Dr. Charlton, you are in the denier camp. If that infuriates you, take it up w/ him.

61 posted on 05/22/2008 3:59:51 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: RightWhale

Sorry.


62 posted on 05/22/2008 4:01:21 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan
Horse feathers! I work with PhDs from China, Bangladesh, and other 3rd world places who grew up in mud huts and they are the brightest of the brightest and went to top U.S. schools.
63 posted on 05/22/2008 4:05:02 PM PDT by avacado
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To: GourmetDan

Rehash. This was presented last year.


64 posted on 05/22/2008 4:06:29 PM PDT by RightWhale (You are reading this now)
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To: GourmetDan
I think I know and understand Biology better than this psychiatrist who claims to be (but seems to have no education as) an evolutionary biologist.

It is obvious that Dr. C believes this, what is not so obvious is your contention that all “evolutionists” believe this.

How could Dr. C control for environmental factors when environmental differences (low class/ upper class) was the entire basis for the grouping in this study?

Yet another Brit blue blood who cannot STAND the fact that their greatest author (William Shakespeare) their greatest Scientist (Michael Faraday) and their greatest warrior (William the Marshal)were all commoners. He now seeks “Scientific” justification for his beliefs, but being a Psychologist, probably doesn't understand even the basics of conducting a Scientific study. Correlation is not causality. Biologically there is no such thing as a “Lower class”.

The end result of what he is saying is “Smart people make more money.” as well as “Educated people with access to wealth power and good schools raise children who end usually end up educated wealthy and powerful.”

65 posted on 05/22/2008 4:08:03 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: RightWhale

Sorry.


66 posted on 05/22/2008 4:08:50 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: Spktyr; GourmetDan
since Democrats market themselves as “The Party Of The Working Class®,” doesn’t this study mean that they’re the party of dumb people?

That is precisely what liberals think, which is why they want to set up a system where they, as the intellectual superiors, will make all the decisions.

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67 posted on 05/22/2008 4:09:43 PM PDT by ETL
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To: GourmetDan

Bunk
I’ve met more than one child of the wealthy who wasn’t to bright but managed to do quite well for themselves and I worked for a guy that became a millionaire from pure hard work an innate ability to delegate and complete lack of ethics and morals


68 posted on 05/22/2008 4:09:47 PM PDT by grjr21
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To: allmendream
"I think I know and understand Biology better than this psychiatrist who claims to be (but seems to have no education as) an evolutionary biologist."

Well obviously you think so, but he made some statements about what evolutionists believe and either don't say or just deny. You're denying it, which is what he said evolutionists did.

Don't freak-out, dude.

69 posted on 05/22/2008 4:13:42 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: ETL
"That is precisely what liberals think, which is why they want to set up a system where they, as the intellectual superiors, will make all the decisions."

Well, it seems to be pretty effective at maintaining liberal status and wealth.

70 posted on 05/22/2008 4:15:03 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan

I beg to differ, the working class, well, that eliminates Obama supporters because they don’t work, know crap when they see it. Thats why they hate McCain and Obama.

Have we done a time travel backwards? How ‘bout the working class quit working and dump it into the laps of the elites?

They may think they are smart, they are not smart enough to work hard. What they fear most is the working class rising up against them. That is why illegals, socialist healtcare and all the things liberal are what they are peddling. Global socialists know if they toss out a free crumb here and there, the chances are slimmer that people will rise up and kick their selfish behinds to the curb. They are on borrowed time. The thought about their fate makes me tingle with pleasure.


71 posted on 05/22/2008 4:18:06 PM PDT by dforest (I had almost forgotten that McCain is the nominee. Too bad I was reminded.)
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To: GourmetDan
I don't believe it. He may say it, you may repeat it, but I have yet to see data that is convincing, that doesn't confuse cause and effect, or that properly controls for environment. Stating this is hardly a “freak-out”; you are saying I (and others)believe something that I (and presumably many others)do not.

Are you a mind reader?

72 posted on 05/22/2008 4:18:47 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: x

Young Ones? I know this pic from somewhere!


73 posted on 05/22/2008 4:18:56 PM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (Huh?)
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To: GourmetDan
If there were a single gene, or a relatively small set of genes that determined overall intelligence, this theory might make sense. However, that does not appear to be the case and, as a result, smart people sometimes have stupid kids and stupid people some times have smart kids. Children of smart parents will have an edge in terms of environmental factors, because they will most likely be exposed to more intellectually stimulating things than the kids of stupid people, not to mention they probably receive better physical and nutritional care (although not guaranteed), and they will have greater expectations put on them, but it is no guarantee that they will actually be smart.

Most likely, those smart kids who are born into poverty end up succeeding in one way or another, and thus move out of the "working class" category.

One ironic thing about the term "working class": it is used in the US quite often as a substitute for "poor", but an unhealthy percentage of our poor people do not actually work.
74 posted on 05/22/2008 4:23:39 PM PDT by fr_freak (So foul a sky clears not without a storm.)
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To: GourmetDan

I’ve always been told that there is no difference if one is born smart and that the only difference is in the quality of education. Being smart and being educated are two totally different things and you can be very educated without being smart.


75 posted on 05/22/2008 4:26:28 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: truth_seeker

And if I remember a central tenet of the Bell Curve correctly, smart people by and large marry other smart people, so this divide in intellectual capability is only increasing over time.


76 posted on 05/22/2008 4:27:16 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: fr_freak
I agree with everything you said.

I am afraid that Dr. Charlston would group me as “Upper Class” based upon my income and education and then say that “evolutionarily” I come from superior “Upper Class” genetics. I however was one of those born into poverty who ended up succeeding and thus moving out of the “working class” category. Neither do I consider myself an aberration from my very intelligent “working class” family.

How do these classist blue blood bigots explain that the greatest Scientist (Faraday), Writer (Shakespeare), and Warrior (William the Marshall); all came from “working class” people, while their Crown Prince is a big eared buffoon in love with a horse.

77 posted on 05/22/2008 4:29:41 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: fr_freak

Yes, but it is hard to dispute that on average smart parents are more likely to have smart children outside of considering whatever sociocultural (’nurture’) advantages they may give their on average smarter-than-average kids.


78 posted on 05/22/2008 4:31:59 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: chris_bdba

Some of the smartest people I know are 70-80 years old and went no further in school than the eighth grade. Some of the dumbest I know have graduated from college. Common sense can take you a long way in life.


79 posted on 05/22/2008 4:34:07 PM PDT by Melinda in TN
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To: Retired Greyhound

“Reeks of eugenics.”

Reeks of reality - I fixed your typo for you.

;-)


80 posted on 05/22/2008 4:35:01 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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