Posted on 05/22/2008 10:46:31 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan
SAN ANGELO, Texas - A state appellate court has ruled that child welfare officials had no right to seize more than 400 children living at a polygamist sect's ranch.
The Third Court of Appeals in Austin ruled that the grounds for removing the children were "legally and factually insufficient" under Texas law. They did not immediately order the return of the children.
Child welfare officials removed the children on the grounds that the sect pushed underage girls into marriage and sex and trained boys to become future perpetrators.
The appellate court ruled the chaotic hearing held last month did not demonstrate the children were in any immediate danger, the only measure of taking children from their homes without court proceedings.
There is plenty of evidence to verify the brutality of this cult. Simple pure brutality and cunning evil of the FLDS.
http://www.mazeministry.com/mormonism/polygamy/lostboys.htm
That would take actual evidence sufficient to support arrest warrants. An individual arrest warrant for each man to be taken. Well one physical warrant with all the names on it would be OK, but not a "Good Idea", because the affidavit would have to support arrest of each man individually, and would make the whole warrant subject to invalidation if any part had a problem. With individual warrants, some deficiency in one would not necessarily affect the others.
CPS *thinks* they are not subject to the same sort of Constitutional limitations. But "For The Children" or not, they are and hopefully are about to find that out.
What's your point?
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Is that what you saw this morning when you looked?
Thanks for the clarification, I stand corrected.
Insisting that you actually use facts in your arguments instead of feelings makes me a “moral relativist”?
Save your pity for the poor children who have been terrorized and traumatized by the state in this case.
BTW, condescension is never an acceptable substitute for facts, either.
It did to me. It also could be that they saw the Jeffs conviction and knew they were being watched and changed their practices.
Regardless, if they weren't committing crimes, then they shouldn't be harassed.
“If you’re looking for my daughter you’d better have a warrant or you’ll be soorreeee.”
Since I stated that already, why do you keep dodging the question?
The perversion of the justice system and the civil system is one of the worst—and most often overlooked—abuses we are facing.
“hard to tell from the pic but it appears she is really short or really young.”
I’ll help you out. The picture was taken at her ONE YEAR WEDDING ANNIVERSARY, and she was 13 years old when the picture was taken.
This thread is supposedly about Rule of Law and the standards Law Enforcment needs to adhere to.
Orwell called it "bellyfeel"
Ha... do you watch Family Guy? Lois runs for office, used 9/11 to woo undecided voters. When all else fails in your arguments, just throw in 9/11.
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I am a lawyer proving a case in court.
I'm a person with an opinion, I need no documentation.
• Earlier this summer, Mohave County Attorney Matt Smith got nine Colorado City men, including Warren Jeffs, indicted by a grand jury on sexual-conduct-with-a-minor charges. Eight of the men were arrested or surrendered to authorities and are now awaiting trial in Kingman. Jeffs, meanwhile, was placed on the FBI’s most-wanted list in August.
• The embattled Colorado City Unified School District — the community’s largest single employer — is expected to be placed in receivership next month at the request of the Arizona Attorney General’s Office. The tiny, 300-student school district is more than $1.4 million in debt, and its three top administrators — all FLDS members — are under criminal investigation for misuse of school funds.
• Two civil suits alleging sexual, physical and mental abuse were filed last year by former FLDS men against Warren Jeffs in Salt Lake City. This is what led to the removal of Jeffs and the other FLDS leaders as trustees of the United Effort Plan. A power struggle over control of the trust’s real estate assets is triggering heated confrontations between FLDS members and former church members.
• Following Utah’s lead, Arizona moved recently to strip police certification from two Colorado City police officers for illegally practicing polygamy. The Colorado City police force has come under fire for failing to arrest men — including a fellow police officer — who have taken underage girls as plural wives.
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2005-09-22/news/under-siege/
9/95
Ex-marshal failed to report abuse
Colorado City child cases involved
By Mark Shaffer
Arizona Republic - Flagstaff Bureau
Roundy, who did not return phone messages Friday and Saturday, told Dan Altenes, an investigator for AZPOST, that he did not report the child-molestation indictment last year of David Leroy Steed, 22, or any of the other 20 to 25 child sexual abuse cases he said he had investigated over the years to the Utah Division of Child and Family Services, as required by law. Steed is accused of molesting an 8-year-old girl.
“I didn’t know I was supposed to, to be just frankly honest with ya,” Roundy said during his interview. “They said (it) was protocol, but I didn’t even know about it . . . maybe I’ve been in a Hicksville too long and not looking out at what’s coming in.”
Roundy also acknowledged that he has 15 children with his legal wife, Valerie Roundy, and three children each with his companions, Jennifer Nielsen and Loretta Cooke.
I always miss the deleted post and then have to try and figure out from the responses what and why. LOL
Hg: “FLDS cultists practice polygamy and marry off little girls to old men...
I’m a person with an opinion, I need no documentation”
There, that fixes it. The first claim above is your opinion and is not based on any known facts.
Joseph Smith is dead, Warren Jeffs is in prison in another state. Do you have any pertinent information on the case at hand in Texas or do just like to babble?
Right. These upstanding folks have one-man to one-woman marriages and hold jobs.
Sure they do.
You like cults, huh?
Does the idea of many wives, some of them young girls, appeal to you much?
Just sit around, make up religion, suck up welfare and shag your girlies sounds good to you, huh?
You support a cult.
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